Could use some advice on purchasing a p-01

[fatherguidosarducci]

Some background: 
relatively new shooter who first got a Sig p365xl several months ago, and was told by my instructor to keep things simple and stick to striker fire pistols for both home defense and EDC/CC.   He's a retired cop who trusts and carries glocks.

I made the decision, however, that while I'm also learning on my Sig that I wanted to become proficient with a DA/SA platform as well, and as/when I do, switch over to a DA/SA pistol for EDC.   
I like the added security and I also prefer metal guns for their recoil attributes (especially CZ's)

I was sure I wanted a Beretta until I laid eyes on the SP-01 competition model and bought it.    I love the weight, low bore axis, and aluminum grip. 
I've only put about 160-200 rounds through it and I have a long way to go on getting comfortable with the DA trigger.   The SA is pretty amazing, despite its apparent travel/pre travel.

So, now that I'm sold on CZ, I've been thinking seriously about a p-01, which would then become my EDC.
I am not sure whether to go omega or not, and whether to mod the gun now or wait.    I live in AZ and have heard mixed things about CZ custom works (mostly their customer service).   
I used to live in Louisiana, and reached out to Cajun gun works, and they were amazing on the phone.     Take home message was to definitely NOT get the Omega model.    I'm not totally clear why, but I know with the ambi decocker, I wonder if that makes for concealed carry a bit more challenging?
Also, I've read that some have had issues with their decocker on the Omega models?

Basically, he recommended either buying a standard p-01, putting 500-1000 rounds through it, and then send it to them for their pro package.   But they seem to be backed up with work on those right now.
Option B is to buy a customized p-01 directly from them with the trigger work, hammer, spring, etc all done for me. 
I think that comes out to $1160 + shipping. 

The other thing is that I know the sights will likely need to be replaced with tritium sites based on what I've read others say, and that would be another $160-200 I think on top of customized pro package by Cajun gun works.   

What do most recommend for a shooter who still learning the ropes?   Get a standard p-01 or omega trigger?   Get the customized gun from Cajun gun works?    I don't plan on swapping the dococker out for  a safety.  I also don't have large hands, so I'm not sure if reach of one decocker over the other would be preferable (omega vs non). 

Thanks in advance.

[M1A4ME]

I personally just don't care for decocker pistols.

The standard P01 is a decocker pistol (you many be aware of that).

The Omega can be either, decocker or safeties.  You can try one, if you decide you don't like one mode of operation, try the other.

I have P07, P09 and P01 Omegas.  I guess I've been lucky as mine have had decent triggers.  Better than a lot of people report when they pulled their new Omega pistol out of the box and found the trigger draggy, scratchy, catchy, long trigger pull, etc., etc., etc.

I have non-Omega CZs but I don't carry those.  I've carried a couple P07 pistols and a couple P01 Omegas.  Mostly concealed carry.

Not sure which models (standard or Omega) cost more right now or would cost more to modify as you want done.

Good luck with your new carry pistol, whatever you end up buying.

[Tanners Owner]

I have a P01 omega and a PCR- both Cajunized.  Both guns have been super reliable and accurate in several IDPA seasons.

I am a fan of decocker guns myself, but decocker or manual safety is a personal preference.

I view the compact CZs- PCR, P01, P01 omega, 75 compact as the perfect mix of weight, power, accuracy, capacity and ergos in a carry and home defense gun.

As to your Qs, if you don’t intend on wanting the manual safety and will remain committed to the decocker, I agree w/ the guidance you got before- get a P01.  As for customizing it,  I am a fan of CGW & heartily endorse them.

Another option is CGW’s ultra lite kit, which I put in my 75b.  Certainly improved the trigger pull weight, but the crispness is not the same as with the pro pkg.

Good luck & let us know which way you go

[Minfred]

The other thing is that I know the sights will likely need to be replaced with tritium sites based on what I've read others say, and that would be another $160-200 I think on top of customized pro package by Cajun gun works.   

First I have to say I do not know much about the Omega. That being said, if you like the attributes of the P01 but want better carry sights and can live without the flashlight rail you should really take a look at the 75 D PCR. Those two guns are very similar except for the rail, sights and trigger. The snag free luminescent rear sight is a step up from the sights on the P01. The trigger on the 75 D PCR is serrated. That can be a throw away issue if you are set on the CGW pro kit because you will have a different trigger with that kit. However if you decide to use the CGW standard kit then you still the serrated trigger and around one hundred dollars left over from the less expensive standard kit (however some of that hundred bucks will be spent on tools needed to do the work yourself). While the end result of trigger reset is better on the pro kit, the standard kit does cut the SA reset 50% over the stock trigger and you still end up with a 3 pound(ish) SA trigger.
One last thing, regardless of which CGW kit you decide to use, buy the kit and install it yourself. It is not that hard and there are a butt load of resources to help you through the process... and you don't have to wait your turn in line for CGW to do it for you.
Just options to consider.
Enjoy

[GasGuzz]

I picked up my entry into CZ 4wks ago with a P-01, priority SD/CCW. It saw its first 150 last week and I’m wondering why only now I looked into CZ.
P-01 Omega is moot in Decocker and in Safety/C&L doesn’t bring any more to my stable.
CZ P-01 Decocker Pro-Package... ‘CGW professionally polishes the internals’ is the only feature that sets it apart, to me. There’s no way I’d have a trigger stop-screw in my SD/CCW, it’d be off the first thing I do. If the $500 delta to the std P-01 suits you albeit the wait, then it’s GTG out of the box.
But as you know, software trumps hardware. Carry hardware still needs to be vetted and it doesn’t make you a better shooter out of the box.

None of the CGW parts install concern me, my tool chest have the requisite precision tools.
TRPIN Floating Trigger Pin
RPTRS Reduced Power Trigger Return Spring
HS-15 15# Hammer Spring
97041 Reduced Power Firing Pin Spring
RP-FPBS Reduced Power Plunger Spring
All of $40. Any more is icing, the stock trigger/hammer – they go bang just the same.
Lesson here is shoot the OEM/Stock to determine what you need.

Sights. Uh, after the first 3 5rd (Win NATO 124gr) strings I was hitting the bullseye all day long. If anything, CGW 050-390 front fiber swap with the stock rear.
Good luck.

[Claymore504]

P01 is a great choice. I have an Omega UG/SR model and really like it. One tip I will give you is get what you want from the start. If you are not wanting to work on it, going direct through CGW is a very good idea. If I was to do that I would go with a standard P01 model. If you go Omega, they are very easy to work on.

[fatherguidosarducci]

The other thing is that I know the sights will likely need to be replaced with tritium sites based on what I've read others say, and that would be another $160-200 I think on top of customized pro package by Cajun gun works.   

First I have to say I do not know much about the Omega. That being said, if you like the attributes of the P01 but want better carry sights and can live without the flashlight rail you should really take a look at the 75 D PCR. Those two guns are very similar except for the rail, sights and trigger. The snag free luminescent rear sight is a step up from the sights on the P01. The trigger on the 75 D PCR is serrated. That can be a throw away issue if you are set on the CGW pro kit because you will have a different trigger with that kit. However if you decide to use the CGW standard kit then you still the serrated trigger and around one hundred dollars left over from the less expensive standard kit (however some of that hundred bucks will be spent on tools needed to do the work yourself). While the end result of trigger reset is better on the pro kit, the standard kit does cut the SA reset 50% over the stock trigger and you still end up with a 3 pound(ish) SA trigger.
One last thing, regardless of which CGW kit you decide to use, buy the kit and install it yourself. It is not that hard and there are a butt load of resources to help you through the process... and you don't have to wait your turn in line for CGW to do it for you.
Just options to consider.
Enjoy

You've got me intrigued and re thinking my plan, and here's why:

After your post, I went back to look at the 75d PCR and I appreciate the slimmer profile for CC.
I want a rail for a light for my bed-side gun, but do I really need it for my carry gun?  I suppose it would be helpful at night time, but then it makes carrying quite a bit more cumbersome.   
I can simply put a light on my SP-01 competition (I'm loving this thing btw)

Let me ask you:  any difference in the ease of racking the slide between the PCR and p-01?    Does one have a heavier hammer and/or recoil spring?
I love the loaded chamber indicator in the PCR, especially for carry.
Also, is the decocker placed slightly differently c/w the p-01?

I read a review from someone with smaller hands who said the 75d PCR fits perfectly for him ergo wise.

[fatherguidosarducci]

P01 is a great choice. I have an Omega UG/SR model and really like it. One tip I will give you is get what you want from the start. If you are not wanting to work on it, going direct through CGW is a very good idea. If I was to do that I would go with a standard P01 model. If you go Omega, they are very easy to work on.

I think this is good advice, but the thing is, I will have to wait on either a p-01 customized gun or a PCR customized gun-- in either case, they don't have them in stock yet.
Maybe I'm better off buying the PCR or p-01 stock (I've found a PCR online) and put 500 rounds through it first?
I see the advice on here to buy the kit and do the work myself.  I can't be THAT hard........to do both the trigger work and replace out either recoil/hammer springs?

[unoit]

Hello fatherguidosarducci. I am in the same situation as you. Been trying to decide what to do about a P-01. Been going back and forth trying to decide which model to get. I see that you said after talking to cgw not to get the omega. And that you weren’t totally sure why. Can you shed a little light on cgw reasons? I also am wondering if I should order a stock one and send it in or buy one directly from cgw. I do like the idea of the decocker. I want this for a ccw so if the decocker can cause problems I would rather go with a safety. Thank you all for the help.

[Minfred]

The other thing is that I know the sights will likely need to be replaced with tritium sites based on what I've read others say, and that would be another $160-200 I think on top of customized pro package by Cajun gun works.   

First I have to say I do not know much about the Omega. That being said, if you like the attributes of the P01 but want better carry sights and can live without the flashlight rail you should really take a look at the 75 D PCR. Those two guns are very similar except for the rail, sights and trigger. The snag free luminescent rear sight is a step up from the sights on the P01. The trigger on the 75 D PCR is serrated. That can be a throw away issue if you are set on the CGW pro kit because you will have a different trigger with that kit. However if you decide to use the CGW standard kit then you still the serrated trigger and around one hundred dollars left over from the less expensive standard kit (however some of that hundred bucks will be spent on tools needed to do the work yourself). While the end result of trigger reset is better on the pro kit, the standard kit does cut the SA reset 50% over the stock trigger and you still end up with a 3 pound(ish) SA trigger.
One last thing, regardless of which CGW kit you decide to use, buy the kit and install it yourself. It is not that hard and there are a butt load of resources to help you through the process... and you don't have to wait your turn in line for CGW to do it for you.
Just options to consider.
Enjoy

You've got me intrigued and re thinking my plan, and here's why:

After your post, I went back to look at the 75d PCR and I appreciate the slimmer profile for CC.
I want a rail for a light for my bed-side gun, but do I really need it for my carry gun?  I suppose it would be helpful at night time, but then it makes carrying quite a bit more cumbersome.   
I can simply put a light on my SP-01 competition (I'm loving this thing btw)

Let me ask you:  any difference in the ease of racking the slide between the PCR and p-01?    Does one have a heavier hammer and/or recoil spring?
I love the loaded chamber indicator in the PCR, especially for carry.
Also, is the decocker placed slightly differently c/w the p-01?

I read a review from someone with smaller hands who said the 75d PCR fits perfectly for him ergo wise.

I have never handled a P01 so I can not say with authority if the ease of racking the slide is different between the two models. It is my understanding these two models are built on very similar alloy frames. One is for the cops (PCR) the other is for the military (P01). There is some variation in the rear slide serrations. When I eye ball the difference from the pictures at CZ USA it looks like the distance between the slide release and the decocker is slightly less on the P01.

The ease of racking the slide will be a function of the weight of the recoil spring and the gripping ergonomics. The PCR has the no snag rear sight and I find that sight is more pleasant to rack when using the rear serrations as compared to the feel of military style sights but that is not a big deal. As for the weight of the recoil spring I do not know what they come with but the springs can swapped out easy enough and CGW has a great tutorial titled "How to Select the Proper Recoil Spring". Check out the tutorial and figure out what works best for you. I know CGW has a "tuners pack" ($30) of five springs in one pound increments for the SP01, they may have a variety pack of springs for the PCR/P01... check it out. As for the hammer they both look like the ring style hammer spur. I do not know about the mechanics of the stock hammer but that does not really matter if you throw in the CGW Pro Package. With that package you get your choice of hammer spur shape on their performance hammer. I'm doing the pro package on my PCR.
I say get the PCR for when you are on the road and use that SP-01 with a light at bed side.
Have fun.

[M1A4ME]

How many people buy a gun and never, ever, change what they do with it/use it for?

The PCR will never be able to mount a light or a laser.  The P01 is cable of none, or either.

When I was carrying my P01 UG it had a streamlight TLR3 on it.  Never used it (the light or the pistol) but it was right there IWB in a kydex holster if I needed to use it.  Was the light an issue?  Nope.  The only thing that's ever bothered me about concealed carry IWB is after 4 or 5 hours of sitting in one of my cars the way the sides of the seat are made begins to really be a pain on the side where the spare magazine is carried.  The pistol?  Don't even know it's there.

Nothing wrong with the PCR or a CZ75 Compact (I have one of those I'm fond of, but I no longer carry it).

[simplemann]

I have the P-01 Omega and have thousands of dry fire/laser trigger pulls and over 1K live fire pulls and have not had any issue with the decocker. I've never owed a pistol with a decocker and I'll say that I like it.

[fatherguidosarducci]

How many people buy a gun and never, ever, change what they do with it/use it for?

The PCR will never be able to mount a light or a laser.  The P01 is cable of none, or either.

When I was carrying my P01 UG it had a streamlight TLR3 on it.  Never used it (the light or the pistol) but it was right there IWB in a kydex holster if I needed to use it.  Was the light an issue?  Nope.  The only thing that's ever bothered me about concealed carry IWB is after 4 or 5 hours of sitting in one of my cars the way the sides of the seat are made begins to really be a pain on the side where the spare magazine is carried.  The pistol?  Don't even know it's there.

Nothing wrong with the PCR or a CZ75 Compact (I have one of those I'm fond of, but I no longer carry it).

Good to know-- specifically that it's not bad to carry in terms of comfort.   Anything else you like about the p-01 over the PCR besides the rail ?
Shooting characteristics/ergo, etc?

[M1A4ME]

Well, the standard (original design) P01 is decocker only like the PCR.  I don't see much of a difference in them as far as how they work/how you work them.

Lots of people buy a gun and change the sights, or the grips, or the trigger, or internal parts to make it slicker/smoother change trigger pulls, etc.  I guess those options are the same (internal parts, grips, etc.)  Not sure about the sights, seems like I've read the rear sight notch may be different (more people here with experience on those two guns may chime in and correct me).

My experience is with the P01 Omega models.  Safety or decocker levers that the owner can swap out if they prefer. 

I don't own either of them (PCR/P01).  I carried the P01 Omega vs. the CZ75 Compact so I'd be used to the gun (carry, feel, trigger pull, where the bullets strike the target) in case I did, someday, decide I wanted to carry with a light on it.  I ended up buying a TLR3 and holster and carried the P01 Omega UG pistol on road trips when my wife was carrying her CZ75 Compact.  Same caliber, same magazines just made sense.

[CzMatte]

CZ Custom has worked P01s and PCRs listed as in stock.

https://czcustom.com/