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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2022, 12:05:50 AM »
6 cycles, minimal rust but usually go 10, when what looks to be rust (the copper from solution) doesn’t convert to black after boil.




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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2022, 03:00:50 PM »
Your Compact Massada looks awesome!  I didn't even know that CZ made the Massada in a Compact.  I've only seen the Semi-Compact versions.  In fact, I just purchased an SC Massada, which I'm very excited about.  I'm looking forward to seeing how this restoration project turns out!  Thank you for sharing your journey with us!

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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2022, 04:02:02 PM »
I just got a Massada SC as well. Won the surplus lottery as mine looks like it was never fired! Clean as a whistle inside with not a spec of carbon. Some slight wear on the sharp edges but not even typical holster wear. Looked almost factory fresh.  Kept looking for one at a fair price, bid on 2 but others wanted more than me and almost gave up. I saw a couple compact Massadas on GB and was thinking about going for one then this one popped up and I got it for the opening bid.


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SP-01 Tactical
75 D PCR fully Cajunized
2075 Rami B (9 mm), 85 trigger/reach reduction kit
75 SC Massada
97 B CGW reach reduction kit/‘flat’ trigger/race hammer
457 Varmint MTR
82, 9x18
P10C OR SR
Dan Wesson Valor V-bob black Duty finish
P10F OR
75 B

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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2022, 09:03:19 PM »
Nice!


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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2022, 12:38:20 AM »
Finally finished up.  Hammer spring seems quite heavy despite a 13 pound CGW spring.  Will have to compare spring length in compact vs full size. 




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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2022, 07:22:40 AM »
That looks great! Nice work!
SP-01 Tactical
75 D PCR fully Cajunized
2075 Rami B (9 mm), 85 trigger/reach reduction kit
75 SC Massada
97 B CGW reach reduction kit/‘flat’ trigger/race hammer
457 Varmint MTR
82, 9x18
P10C OR SR
Dan Wesson Valor V-bob black Duty finish
P10F OR
75 B

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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2022, 08:30:33 AM »
Beautiful work!  It looks better than it did when it left the factory!

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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2022, 09:21:56 AM »
Pretty.

Question:  I've read here several times that one reason the factory doesn't make a lot of blued pistols is the frames are cast and there are imperfections in many of them that blueing won't cover but the polycoat hides.

Did you see any pits/dark spots in the frame metal on this one?

And, trigger pull?  Could it just be a geometry thing with the way the parts fit together causing it to take more force to move the sear/hammer in position to fire?  Like the camming issue seen with some of the pistols where even though it's cocked pulling the trigger far/hard enough to fire the gun results in the hammer moving backwards against the hammer spring before releasing/firing?
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2022, 09:51:21 AM »
Pretty.

Question:  I've read here several times that one reason the factory doesn't make a lot of blued pistols is the frames are cast and there are imperfections in many of them that blueing won't cover but the polycoat hides.

Did you see any pits/dark spots in the frame metal on this one?

And, trigger pull?  Could it just be a geometry thing with the way the parts fit together causing it to take more force to move the sear/hammer in position to fire?  Like the camming issue seen with some of the pistols where even though it's cocked pulling the trigger far/hard enough to fire the gun results in the hammer moving backwards against the hammer spring before releasing/firing?
I think it’s luck of the draw, nothing terrible usually, there is usually a matte texture to the back strap of grip and muzzle of slide. Requires some sanding to smooth.  Also the rear curved part of the frame where the hammer pin goes in sometimes has a coarse line, crease in the metal that takes a lot of sanding to smooth out. 

This Massada had the back strap texture, and two dark spots without pitting that actually disappeared during bluing.  One small pit developed on the side of the frame that was barely noticeable but I sanded it down and reblued. 

Some of these older frames have had metal repairs from the factory from defect in the casting and you can see them from the inside of the frame before stripping.  One example is on GB now which is a nice preB with enamel finish but there are spots where the enamel has peeled off there the repairs were done. I think that is the case in this photo. 
Those are not going to do well with a bluing since the metal composition is different and I think will show. 

For the trigger pull, I couldn’t resist the deals lately and got a p-01 and the DA pull on that is much less than on the Massada.  Massada is consistently heavy in DA prior to full hammer cock so it’s not a sear engagement and SA is smooth and easy.

 I don’t think it’s a geometry issue, just wondering if it is because I am using a full size hammer spring in a compact, but that’s the only one offered.  I could try to swap to the original spring but it was so hard to get the mag brake in I don’t want to have to do it again. 


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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2022, 03:50:26 PM »
I took the mag brake out of my Pre B CZ85, for sure.  Maybe out of my CZ75 Compact (not sure).

I know people say the also keep dirt/dust out of the hammer spring/strut area and probably they are correct - but I noticed my P07 and P09's didn't have a cover over the hammer spring and strut so I figured my metal framed guns would survive just fine without the brake, too.

When I was redoing the Pre B CZ85 I noticed a defect in the bottom of the frame.  Had a couple spots that looked like internal rust.  Rust coming out of the center of the frame/mag. well wall right on the bottom.  Removed some metal and they were still there, couldn't worry about it and had it cerakoted.

Different from one gun to another, as you said.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2022, 03:52:50 PM »
I took the mag brake out of my Pre B CZ85, for sure.  Maybe out of my CZ75 Compact (not sure).

I know people say the also keep dirt/dust out of the hammer spring/strut area and probably they are correct - but I noticed my P07 and P09's didn't have a cover over the hammer spring and strut so I figured my metal framed guns would survive just fine without the brake, too.

When I was redoing the Pre B CZ85 I noticed a defect in the bottom of the frame.  Had a couple spots that looked like internal rust.  Rust coming out of the center of the frame/mag. well wall right on the bottom.  Removed some metal and they were still there, couldn't worry about it and had it cerakoted.

Different from one gun to another, as you said.
What hammer spring do you run in your compact?


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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2022, 06:28:06 PM »
Factory hammer springs in most everything.

I run safeties and cocked and locked, so I almost never pull the trigger double action.

The only Compact I've carried shot much has one of the CZ spur hammers in it and those (I've bought/used two) are awesome.  Like those aftermarket competition hammers.  Adding that spur hammer gave me a 3 lb. trigger pull so crisp your mind and finger tell you the trigger gauge is telling you a lie when it shows 3 lbs.  Put one on a CZ75B .40 and got the same results.  Makes them look more like a Pre B model.

I've read, here, that the lighter hammer springs are better for double action but don't really have much effect on single action trigger pull.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2022, 07:11:34 PM »
Factory hammer springs in most everything.

I run safeties and cocked and locked, so I almost never pull the trigger double action.

The only Compact I've carried shot much has one of the CZ spur hammers in it and those (I've bought/used two) are awesome.  Like those aftermarket competition hammers.  Adding that spur hammer gave me a 3 lb. trigger pull so crisp your mind and finger tell you the trigger gauge is telling you a lie when it shows 3 lbs.  Put one on a CZ75B .40 and got the same results.  Makes them look more like a Pre B model.

I've read, here, that the lighter hammer springs are better for double action but don't really have much effect on single action trigger pull.
Thanks.  Yes SA is crisp and light.  DA heavy, but it may just be what it is. I’m used to a full size frame and those are probably 6 pounds. Will measure at some point. 


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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2022, 05:25:10 AM »
I'd be surprised if any of mine (plastic, aluminum or steel) are under 8 lbs.  I know the ones I remember measuring (lightest) were just over 8 lbs.  You usually have to do some polishing (maybe a lot of polishing) and go to lighter springs, new firing pin, etc. to get a DA trigger pull to really lighten up.

Good luck with it.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Latest restoration project compact Massada
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2023, 08:56:34 AM »

Before and after paint stripping, phosphate removal and sanding to 320 grit


What do you recommend for paint stripping and phosphate removal?  I have a Massada SC and I want to try this. 

Thanks!