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« on: July 08, 2004, 09:05:26 PM »
Sent a new Varmint 17 back ($18 shipping) to the factory because the bolt was sticking badly half way through the cycle. CZ sent it back saying nothing was wrong. I've owned CZ rifles, he has new CZ rifles and none have this problem.

I called Mike today and he said roughness is normal somtimes and I told him this one isn't right and we aren't being picky! Mike said "as long as it functions and fires it's ok/normal". I said alot of things can fire but that still doesn't mean it's ok. Mike was firm and I couldn't get any further with him.

Now we are on the spot and have to pay to get it fixed. The owner is really bummed, I was bummed, he was going to buy another model soon but told me he will never buy another CZ. I told him I'll never order/sell another CZ (including the pistols). I've always recommended  and sold CZ's in the past.

I just went through a TERRIBLE experience with Brownings service and am in shock at the service we got from CZ.

What the heck is happening with these people? I've had great luck with most any other gun manufacture and am very loyal to those that back their product. GTO


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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2004, 01:37:03 PM »
Sorry to hear about your trouble with the new rifle and CZ service.  A bolt sticking badly halfway through the cycle is not "functioning properly".  I, along with many others here at the forum are well familiar with Mike's "if it functions, there's nothing wrong with it" response.  I think it is, in part, a result of him being the only person at CZ-USA that works on guns, doing everything from repairs to custom trigger jobs.  Unless it's something obvious, like a bent barrel or broken trigger, he will not jump right on it.  If the problem is significant, as yours seems to be, keep bugging him.  Despite being pressed for time, Mike's a good guy who does good work.  If CZ-USA refuses to help you, be sure to let your dealer know about it.

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2004, 02:04:11 PM »
GTO,

Does the bolt bind when operated with ammo in the rifle, or just when it's empty?

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2004, 04:48:12 PM »
I also suffered from lousy service from Mike and CZ-USA.  I bought a CZ-527 American and was showing it off right after I picked it up.   My friend pointed out that the forend had a split running down it.   Somewhat chagrined, I called CZ-USA to see if they would send me a new stock.  (I had gotten the Millett rings instead of CZ rings, and they were a pain to get on, at least for me with that windage adjustable feature - it took forever to get the scope on and straight.)   Nope - I couldn't even just send them the cracked stock, I had to send the whole rifle so they could "bed it properly."   So off comes the scope and rings and I take off work to take it to UPS.   Weeks later, the rifle comes back and the replacement stock looked terrible - like a kid checkered it with a screwdriver almost!    And the action was not "bedded" at all - the barrel was not free-floated like it was before and the barrel channel was rough - like it was only rasped and not sanded and was unfinished.  The invoice showed 2 hours for stockwork - it must have taken all of 5 minutes to unscrew the old stock and put on the piece of junk I got!   I'm glad I wasn't paying for this "stock work."

I ended up finishing the barrel channel and free-floating the barrel myself.   I like the rifle, but it will always remind me of the poor service and bad attitude I got from CZ-USA.   As an NRA instructor, I will never recommend them to anyone because if they won't stand behind their product, what good is it?

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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2004, 05:03:16 PM »
Calif Hunter, that would leave a pretty bad taste in my mouth, too.  I probably would have seriously considered driving to Kansas City to complain in person (and then remembered that my car's A/C is broken).  I've heard of this happening a time or two before, where a person sent in their original (nice-looking) split stock and got back a stock that looked like scrap lumber.  I've seen similar new CZs side by side on the store rack, one with a beautifully figured, nicely checkered stock and the other with something one might expect on an 870 Express or a BB gun.  Apparently, stockwork quality consistency is not high on the CZ priority list.  This can benefit those who are lucky enough to find the occasional beautiful piece of wood on their new $400 CZ rifle, but will certainly disappoint those who get stuck with a military surplus stock they have to clean up at home.  I've already decided I'll only buy a regular walnut stocked CZ from a local dealer, and then only after carefully examining it in his shop.  If I order a CZ rifle any time soon, I guess I'll have to go with a laminated or H-S Kevlar stock.

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2004, 07:49:10 AM »
Yeah, sounds like you guys have had a rough time of it. I hope I don't ever need to get me ZKM-452 fix by them.

I Love the Synthetic stock! Not much they can do to mess it up. . .  >D




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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2004, 09:55:36 PM »
crt360, I'm not going to beg Mike at CZ to do what they should have done in the first place after the owner payed shipping!

We've since had our smith do the best he can with it (for free/ 2hrs) and it's "better" but I think  the reciever was milled wrong.

Redhat, ammo or not the bolt was a pain to use while rested or standing.

Cal hunter, I had a 527 and it never came with rings! I think RSR was taking them like high cap 75 mags. I called CZ and they said "Not our problem"! and didn't even want to investigate it.

We are a gun shop I have two CZ rifles left and some handguns, once they are gone we will NEVER stock another CZ again. I am only going to keep the pre " CZ USA" pistols out of my own collection and sell the rest.

I'm sorry that I used this forum to vent but it had to be said. Thanks GTO

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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2004, 04:28:56 PM »
I don't think I said anything about begging, but I did say "bugging" which I meant to imply persistent communication (short of harassment).  It sounds like you have done all you think you can do to get CZ to help the customer and have carefully considered your decision to drop the CZ line from your shop.  From a gun shop customer's point of view, I respect your decision and wish more dealers would send the same message to other manufacturers when they provide poor customer service.  I still feel like I get enough value for what I spend on CZs to cut their service some slack.  For me, it has not been bad enough that I'm ready to pay $100 more per gun so CZ-USA can try to improve it.

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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2004, 04:25:43 PM »
Somebody at CZ needs to do a little thinking about this issue.

I consider myself to be very lucky in the 527 that I got.  It works, is extremely accurate and I love it to death.  That fact will weigh heavily on my mind the next time I have money to spend on a rifle.  How many people have just one rifle?  I knew a guy, an avid varmint hunter, who had 13, mostly Rugers.  If his first experience had been like this, do you think he would have bought any more?  Not just NO, HECK NO!  And do you think that he would have suffered in silence?  Not told his shooting buddies, the guys at the range, at the gun shop?

Years ago, when I first went into management, I got ahold of a book by Tom Peters, called In Search of Excellence.  In that book, Mr Peters, who at the time was getting $1500 per seat, per session, to teach CEOs how to run their businesses, said that for every customer who complains to you, there were fifty who walked away and said to themselves, "Well, I'll never do business with them again."

It's easy to see the savings in not fixing the rifle, parts plus labor = X.  How do you count the cost of not selling 50 rifles?  You won't even notice.  The bean counters will be happy, you saved the money on fixing the rifle, and hey, as you gradually sell fewer and fewer rifles, there will be even more money saved on repairs.

Eventually, it will cost nothing to service customers after the sale, because there won't be any customers, or any sales.

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2004, 04:34:22 PM »
Well said Ron, I'll do anything to make a customer happy.

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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2004, 08:21:04 PM »
I used to call CZ- USA to buy spare parts to keep on hand but "Mike" sounded like I was wasting his time when I called. I now buy the parts I need out of Canada. They seem to appreciate my business a little more.:D

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2004, 01:30:50 PM »
czechmate, are you from Canada or do you order from the states? Where do you get these parts? Thanks.

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2004, 08:10:46 PM »
Try London Arms formerly known a Pragotrade. 416-675-1322 I live in the states. Talk to Dave Campbell at London Arms. He has always been most helpful.:)

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2004, 09:38:18 PM »
Thanks. :hat

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2004, 07:41:21 PM »
About this same time last year I'd planned on purchasing
a new CZ550 rifle and held off due to "problems". At the time, CZ America blew it off. Seems like some folks are just slow learners! I haven't visited this forum for some time, but was again looking at purchasing a rifle. I think
I'll take a page from CZ's customer service and just
"blow them off". There are a lot of excellent rifles in the market, I don't need to spend more and end up with a 'problem child'!