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mmsb27

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Russian 7.62x39 ammo
« on: June 01, 2005, 03:56:35 PM »
Anyone have any thoughts about using the Russian ammo in the CZ 527?  I was wondering if the Wolf ammo (154 SP) will damage the bore - because the bullets are copper washed steel jacketed.

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Mark

sam-in-oregon

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2005, 06:23:01 PM »
I called CZ_USA and they  said steel cased ammo if fine to use in the 527. I've had mine for a couple of years and put several hundred rounds of Wolf through mine-both 122 grain and 154. Both rounds are surprising accurate in my CZ (an inch at 100 yards or close to it) and I have had absolutely no problems.  The 154 grain shoots a couple of inches lower than the 122 grain, thus necessitating scope adjustments between the two.

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mmsb27

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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2005, 06:29:48 PM »
Thanks Sam.  Its the steel jacket on the bullets them selves that I'm a little concerned about.  The Wolf ammo shoots great in my CZ 527 -- I was going to hunt deer with the 154 grain  bullet, till I learned the bullets are actually steel with a copper wash, steel on steel in the barrel???  Not sure they will expand, and may damage the barrel?  I think the 30-06 ammo used in WWII era Garands were also steel jacketed..... so maybe its ok.  I really like my rifle, just not sure if I'm damaging it...

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2005, 07:41:29 PM »
I responded in the thread in the Ammunition section also.  The content is not identical, but close.

Short version: I would not shoot bi-metal jacketed bullets in a fine rifle.  I could be wrong in this instance, but there's only one way to find out.  According to what I have read from reliable sources and internet stories, a lot of match grade .308s and .30-06s have been ruined by bi-metal jacketed bullets.  

The steel used is quite soft; steel may not even be the correct term (ferrous alloy is too long, haha).  However, it isn't gilding metal, either.
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mmsb27

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2005, 03:51:41 AM »
Thanks FEG.  I apprecaite the information ---  it matches my thoughts about it.  When I bought the Wolf- I thought it really was made of 154 grain SPs..............  not 154 grain sttel jackets..............  I shot about 50-60 of them, found out the ammo was steel jacket and stopped..................
I'm surprised that there is not more discussion on this subject...
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Mark

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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2005, 06:38:14 AM »
Steel jacketed ammunition has been used for many, many years without deleterious effect in many types of guns.  

I routinely shoot Wolf ammo in my 527 {box upon box of it...} and anticipate the barrel will wear out at some point, whether I shoot gilding metal or steel!

My bigger concern for your situation would be the use of the 154 grain bullet for deer.  You may want to do a search here or elsewhere and see what you come up with.  As I remember, those bullets have a reputation for performaing like FMJ's, refusing to open up consistently at x39 velocities.

Cutting and pasting from my other post; "This little rifle is a workhorse around here. A great rifle for training the kids, and so far it has accounted for 2 deer, a couple stray stock chasing dogs, a coyote and some ground squirrels."

The two deer were taken with a handload using Hornady 123 grain Spire Points, the rest with Wolf 122 HP.  In the future, at 100 yards or less, I'll just use Wolf HP for everything.

Keep your shots to within 100 yards on deer and I think you will be very happy with the performance of the Wolf HP round.  Probably the 122 grain Soft Point round also, but you might want to do a bit of personal research using the 154 grain stuff before you stick a deer with it.

You have a superb rifle, its only fault being, in my experience, weak magazine springs that do not always raise the third, fourth or fifth rounds high enough or quick enough to be stripped by the bolt when the bolt is worked vigorously.

If CZ fixes that they will have perfection in walnut and steel.

mmsb27

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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2005, 06:37:04 AM »
300 RN

I agree with you about the 154 SP.  I doubt they expand.  I have trouble with my magazine too.  I really the rifle - but the magazine situation is frustrating.  I wonder if the newly mag mags are better, or if CZ-USA will replace the faulty ones?  I think the M1 Garands.....used steel jacketed ammo as well.....

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2005, 09:42:22 PM »
Hello everyone.

I shoot Russian ammo most of the time in my AK, and want to make a suggestions.

This information came only from my experience and from experiences of other people I read of verous forums - and following conclusions have been drown.

First of all I would like to say about metal and bymetal, and copper jackets.
Metal from which the barrel is made is very hard comparing to the metal from which bullets are made - so that the barrel would wear out less then the metal of the bullet. My personal opinion is that even if you shoot metal or bymetal type bullets, you barrel will not wear out quicker than with the reguler copper jacketed bullets(maybe it will but the difference will not be significant).

Russian ammunition in general.
7.62x39 ammo(which is made in russia) is mostly made to shoot out of AKs and SKS. And as most you know those guns shoot and don't complain, so the quality standard is nothing like U.S. made ammunition.

Wolf ammo - I personally would not shoot this ammo out of the expansive quality rifles like CZs. Its not worth it.

There is a new type of casing which is now on the marked manufactored by Wolf (forgot the name of it, but the casings looks white, rather than black(steel), or redding (copper)). Anyway I have read numerous reports from people complaining about this ammo. I also have read that it blew two SKSs and one AK. More of this info can be obtained on AK forums such as ak47.net, ak-47.net, akfiles.com.
I have also hear numerous reports of handguns blowing up from reguler steel cased Wolf ammo (from my local range).
Conclusion - I do not shoot wolf in my AK.

Barnaul- I have only heard good reports about this ammo - quality and accurasy wise (personally will shoot it if I ever get to buy it).

Russian hunting ammo (Ulyanovst machine plant - russia)- this ammo was made resantly (with in 2 years).
Heard it was very good from numerous reports. I personally have shot about 200-300 rounds(out of about 600 I bought) of this ammo from my AK, and didn't have a problem yet. - if everything will go smooth will buy more of it later.

I understand that this ammo is the cheapest on the market, but I wouldn't recomand anyone shooting it from expansive rifles - its just not worth it. I would just buy or reload ammo myself + there are quite a few US manufactorers of this ammo on the market - and you can find desant prices.

if anyone wished to contact me for any reason my email is omega53513@aol.com

Thank you.