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Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« on: January 15, 2024, 09:26:15 PM »
Well as I prepare for this election year, I need to bulk up my small pistol primer supply.  I've been patiently waiting/hoping for the prices to drop down into the $40 per 1k realm.  I don't think we are going to get there.  The cheapest I've found is the Argentinian Servicios y Adventuras small pistol primers for $50 per 1k.  So I ordered 5k to evaluate if they function reliably.  I've loaded 1k of them thus far but haven't shot all of those yet.

Initial impressions:

The anvil is already seated fully into the cup at the manufacturer.  All other primers I've ever used leave the anvil slightly proud above the rim of the primer cup such that when you seat them into the case the anvil gets pushed into the cup and "activates" it.  This has couple of implications.  First this makes it very difficult to have them flip anvil side up in a flip tray.  They will not  easily flip over when using a flip tray.  I usually end up manually flipping over the offending primers that don't flip in the tray.  Secondly I think because they seat the anvil fully flush with the cup at the factory, I think that causes the primer compound to squish out from under the anvil (I assume they seat the anvil before the primer compound dries out and becomes impact sensitive).  This has the effect of making the primer less sensitive to impacts.

The primer cup is harder than Fiocchi, Winchester, Federal and possibly CCI.  I don't have any CCI to directly compare at the moment but have loaded those in the past.  I will say that I'm seating these much deeper than normal.  I'm seating these about 6 thousandths deep on average.  If you look at the dimple post firing, the dimple is very shallow.  I loaded some federal small rifle AR primers to compare and they went bang no problem (actually lost velocity with those primers interestingly though).  The dimples were deeper with the small rifle primers vs the Servicios primers.

The cups are hard and the sensitivity is (potentially) less.  A recipe for light strikes.  In my Accushadow 2 with extended firing pin, lighter main spring I've had two light strikes in ~400 rounds fired.  The first light strike may have been my fault as it was load development rounds that I loaded directly after converting my press from 5.56 to 9mm.  It took a few rounds to set the proper primer seating depth on my S1050 and I may have not seated that primer deep enough.  The second light strike was just that, a light strike.  When I pulled the trigger again, they both went bang.  I will continue to run them and see if my failure rate grows or not.  As it stands now, I can't reliably run them for major matches or self defense loads.  I will run them in practice and my local matches for now.  I have been running Fiocchi without issue lately.

Dimensionally they feel right.  They seat into the cup with proper resistance.  My S1050 ensures the primer pocket is ready to accept them as it swages on the fly.  I don't have issues with them deforming or otherwise not making it into the case properly.  The priming system doesn't choke on them, and the vibraprime handles them great loading them into the tube.

I'm able to achieve single digit standard deviations with my loads using sport pistol powder.  I was just out today testing a load and I shot several sub 3 inch groups at 20yds freestyle (standing two handed unrested).  One group shot 1.5 inches.  They seem to be fairly consistent when they go bang.

I'm keeping my eye on prices but will most likely pass on these for a bulk purchase going forward.  The next cheapest option are Ginex and I've read that they also have harder cups.  I may just bite the bullet and pay for Fiocchi (about 0.02 cents more per). Fiocchi seems to be the most available main stream option at the moment and I haven't had any issues with them to date.  Remington is also approaching the same price as the Fiocchi but still is slightly more.  We'll see what happens in the next month or so.

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Toby





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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2024, 10:00:12 PM »
Here are the servicios adventuras, federal 205ar(small rifle), and a range pickup brass (appears to be a Glock) side by side.  You can see the dimple on the servicios primer is very small.  It's hard to measure with the unaided eye but the dimple width on the Servicios is ~.05 inches and on the Fed is about ~.06 inches.



Here are close ups:





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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2024, 10:10:35 PM »
Good info, thanks. I bought 5K of these myself but have not tried them yet. I have 100 pieces of brass ready for priming but just have not gotten around to it. I have been using my Fiocchi up to this point but intend to switch over and try these. I have buddies that have tried the Ginex and these and out of a Glock with a lighter striker spring, my buddy had a few light strikes. I have one 19X and will run them in that as a test, all my other guns are hammer-fired, and figuring they will run fine, none have light anything in them so full power springs and extended firing pins should do it, time will tell, I guess. I'll update as time goes on. The cheapest I found is a little over $50 for 1K $53.80 per K shipped actually. Are you buying them locally @ $50 bucks, if so good for you, in this day and age I would buy what I could, it seems like it is getting better and then it doesn't, LOL

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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2024, 12:15:45 PM »
I go through a lot of small pistol primers loading ammo for my 9mm striker fired Sigs and hammer fired CZ's plus my Colt and S&W revolvers. For me it's not worth the aggravation I get with Servicios Aventuras and Uinis Ginex primers. Reality is we will never see primers for $28 per thousand again. Stock up when you find Federal, Fiocchi, CCI or Winchester primers for $.06 or less. My buddy and I just bit the bullet and bought enough Fiocchi small pistol primers to last us until mid 2025.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2024, 11:28:39 PM »
I go through a lot of small pistol primers loading ammo for my 9mm striker-fired Sigs and hammer fired CZs plus my Colt and S&W revolvers. For me it's not worth the aggravation I get with Servicios Aventuras and Uinis Ginex primers. The reality is we will never see primers for $28 per thousand again. Stock up when you find Federal, Fiocchi, CCI or Winchester primers for $.06 or less. My buddy and I just bit the bullet and bought enough Fiocchi small pistol primers to last us until mid-2025.

Isn't that the truth? We will be lucky to ever see domestic primers @ $50 bucks again. I shoot a lot of pistols also and I hear ya. I did prime 100 9mm tonight with the Servicios primers and will finish them up on Friday and get over to the range. My main concern is my Glock 19X and while everything in the firing group other than the trigger is stock that will be my main test gun. All my CZs and Staccato are hammer-fired and don't have a real concern at the moment but then that's why I'm gonna go test, LOL I just found Winchester SRP for $67 per 1K shipped, don't need them but maybe buy 5K just to stay ahead in the day and age. Will update as I go.
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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2024, 05:00:00 AM »
I remember buying spp when I started out for $5.99 per 1000. Best I can find American primers for at this time is $70.00 per 1000. That's likely as good as it is ever going to be again. but as has been stated I'm not going to go through the aggravation of messing with non domestic questionable components.

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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2024, 10:56:28 AM »
I've been running Fiocchi with great results.  I was hoping these Argentinian primers were of similar quality but alas they are not.  If I was running my Limited gun I could use these all day without issue.  It has a heavier main spring in it and will light off anything I think. 

I agree we have entered a new era with components that have tripled in cost since the plandemic.  I was hoping to see prices fall below the current market but wasn't holding my breath.

You can get Fiocchi, Remington, Winchester, and maybe even Federal primers in the $67-80 per k realm right now.  It seems like the price of ammo is dropping so I was hoping to see component prices fall too.  I'm seeing 9mm going for sub $200 per k, it would be nice to see that stabilize there and hold.  If the market gets flooded with low cost ammunition we may actually see component prices fall.

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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2024, 12:54:09 PM »
 Primers aren't the only component that has skyrocketed in price I just opened my last 4 lb. jug of Sport Pistol that I bought back in May of 2020 for $74.00.  That same jug of powder would sell for over $200 today going from $18.50 per pound to $50 in a little 3 years is nuts ! 
 We should be worried with the wars in the Ukraine and Israel our powder reserves are about depleted and the few powder manufactures that are left are not concerned with the needs of us little guys.

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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2024, 02:14:05 PM »
Yeah, I just purchased a 8lb jug of Sport Pistol locally for $320.  My last pistol powder purchase was a 8lb jug of Sport Pistol and 5k Winchester pistol primers for ~$280.  Hindsight is always 20-20 but I wish I had bought a lifetime supply back when supply was good and buried it in the back yard.

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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2024, 05:55:08 PM »
Had another light strike during my local steel challenge match.  It went bang on second strike.

That is 3 in ~600-800 rounds.

These might get regulated to load for my TSO's that have heavier main springs.

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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2024, 07:13:35 PM »
Reports on THR gun forum have not been favorable either and reflect a lot of your findings.
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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2024, 06:51:40 PM »
Well, I made it to the range today, and while I only shot a sample of 100rds with the Argentinian Servicos Adventuras I had 0 issues. My Glock 19X was my main testing ground as striker guns seem to be the biggest culprit for these, especially modified ones, other than cosmetic add-ons and an APEX trigger along with the kit that comes with their triggers my striker/springs/etc are all factory Glock. I shot 60 out of the 100 out of this gun. I only had 40 rds left so I shot 20 out of my 07 which has the full Cajun kit and then 20 out of my Staccato which is a stock 2011. For me and my guns, I have no issues with these small pistol primers at the moment, I bought 5K so plenty of testing is ahead for sure. I will switch over to these in all my 9mm reloading and save my Fiocchi for other uses or just as a stash for now. I also have some GINEX and will try those next. Even though we have a lot of the same guns everyone's is a bit different whether it be because of mods, round count, etc, but mine seem unaffected by these primers so far. I will update you as time goes on.

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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2024, 11:30:28 PM »
I think I may try these in 5.56.  I have a load that works that isn't anywhere near max and I may just drop these in and see how it shoots. 

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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2024, 11:10:22 AM »
I think I may try these in 5.56.  I have a load that works that isn't anywhere near max and I may just drop these in and see how it shoots. 

Cheers,
Toby

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea! Not sure where you are finding them either online or local is always better but this is my secret spot for the SPP ones, LOL. https://goastrasports.com/product/unis-ginex-small-rifle-primers/
The SRP is about $100 more but I guess that's the way it goes nowadays. I have a fair amount of small rifles but maybe consider some of these around tax refund time if they're still around. Keep us posted if you try them. Also, the only thing I did differently when loading these in my multiple-fired mixed 9mm brass was I uniformed the pockets, don't know why cuz I NEVER do pistol brass but must have decided for some reason. I did hand prime them also cuz I didn't use my 550.

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Re: Servicios y Adventuras Small Pistol Primers
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2024, 09:01:43 AM »
I'm shooting and working the IPSC nationals this April.  Turns out my accushadow 2 isn't legal in IPSC.  Guess I'm going to shoot the standard division with my TSO in 40.

I loaded a bunch to work up the PF to about 173.  Zero light strikes.  My TSO's have a heavier main spring and will light off anything.  Found a new use for these hard cup primers.

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