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Offline Joe L

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P-10C at 100 on Tuesday, 4min video, this went well
« on: February 21, 2024, 10:41:41 AM »
Got to shoot my early production P-10C on Tuesday at the 100 yard rifle range.  I think a few weeks of getting shoot once or twice per week are finally paying off.  I had fewer "bad" shots on Tuesday than I was having in January, even though I'm shooting a different pistol each week.  So, for this range visit, the first target wound up being a sighter target, with all shots a little high and a little right.  I went two clicks down for target 2 but hesitated to make a windage change.  I got 19 of 20 on the paper with one just barely off to the right but with the elevation good now.  Two good sub 6" groups on target 2.  Rather than mess with the sight again, I decided to just hold a little left for target 3 and that worked just fine, except I held on average a little too far left.  This comes down to eyesight at 100 yards with no magnification.  I think I held more like a full bullseye left instead of 1/2 bull left, so I stacked up the hits on the left side of target 3 instead of just a little right on target 2.  And my eyesight was getting bad so I threw a few shots.  Here is the video...

https://youtu.be/pekLCbLoxKg 

Now that I know where I am, I'll probably just gamble on one click left for Thursday and go back to a center hold.  I am also going to limit myself to 40 rounds, two targets of 20 rounds each, just to keep from wasting ammo as my eyesight gets strained.  If all goes well on Thursday, I'll probably post another video on Friday.  Then next Tuesday, I'll shoot the P-10F again.  Finally. 

A note on the P-10C's Primary Machine barrel that I bought in Wobbly's estate sale.  My factory P-10C barrel was just sloppy at the chamber end, resulting in all kinds of vertical spread.  Last year I shimmed the barrel and that fixed a lot of the vertical spread issues.  But my shim was not a permanent solution, it was a test that I left in place, just like on the P-10S.  I fully expected the shims to come loose or move, but they have been fine for hundreds of rounds in both guns.  New Primary Machine C length match barrels were out of stock most of last year, so I jumped on the slightly used barrel Wobbly offered.  It fit my P-10C just fine with no shims needed.  That was a great change for my P-10C.  I also have a PM barrel in the P-10F, but the factory barrel fit and performance was really good in that pistol anyway, so there wasn't much of an advantage of the PM barrel in that pistol.  But I had almost quit shooting the P-10C altogether because it was so poor in lockup for what I needed at 100/200 yards.  I am very happy with the P-10C now. 

This is fun.  This is not easy. 

Joe L
CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR

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Re: P-10C at 100 on Tuesday, 4min video, this went well
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2024, 04:59:03 PM »
It's not a scope with itty bitty crosshairs that meet in the middle.

I'll bet it's not easy repeating the same hold off shot after shot.

I have two AR15's with the old SUIT optics on them.  I do like them.  But I find that pointer tip "moves" on me at longer ranges on a paper target.  One AR give me pretty decent groups at 300 yds. but they 4 to 5" wide and 6" or more tall.  That tiny pointer tip is hard to put in the center of the target for each shot.  No issue on the pop up targets out to 400 yds. but the points scoring targets shows it up.

Is the dot clear for your eyes?  I'm finding the best dot for me is the bigger (6 MO small/K series Holosuns).  The bigger Holosuns with the small dot isn't going to get clear/stay clear for me no matter the brightness setting or the spot I try to look through by glasses.  But I bet a big dot would be tougher for distance shooting.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: P-10C at 100 on Tuesday, 4min video, this went well
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2024, 05:58:12 PM »
The Holosun's have the crispest 2 moa dot.  The Burris is a little larger and not as crisp.  I have more experience with the Burris 3 moa.  I don't think I could shoot a 6 moa sight but I've never tried it.  It would be as wide as the repair center and I would have to have a tape square maybe 18x18" to use as an aim point and just shoot into a blank square.  That actually works pretty well anyway as it keeps the shooter from fretting over exactly covering the black bullseye with the red dot.  I actually did pretty well as far as getting a reasonable group with the hold shift to the left.  I just picked the wrong distance to make the shift.  Then I missed a few shots that I would normally make if my eyes weren't strained. 

It was a good exercise--holding rather than messing with the sight adjustments.  I lucked out on the elevation change with 2 clicks down.  We'll see if it is repeatable tomorrow, Thursday.  And I will have some wind on Thursday, so that may call for a different windage hold anyway.  Might even work out that the zero to the right gets cancelled out by wind from 3 o'clock tomorrow and then the center hold will be good again.  I'm not changing anything other than I've already gone 1 click left.  That could result in a 2-4" shift left if I wasn't just taking up backlash in the adjustment. 

If the wind is strong and variable, it may be a "difficult" day.  Educational, one way or another, that's for sure. 

Joe
CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR

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Re: P-10C at 100 on Tuesday, 4min video, this went well
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2024, 10:21:25 AM »
which holosun are you using? I have one on an ar and not sure as to how much I like it.

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Re: P-10C at 100 on Tuesday, 4min video, this went well
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2024, 10:57:13 AM »
I have two models--507C and 507K, both versions 2 I think.  I have a mix of Holosun and Burris Fast Fire 3 sights.  I like the Holosun fine adjustments of the dot intensity and the Burris is OK under most conditions.  Both have been reliable.  Battery life in the Holosun's seems better.
Joe
CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR