B6 oopsie....

[bubbas4570]

Went to the range this morning to work out some things with my various pistolas...and ended up leaving quicker than I wanted to.

Had a malfunction with the B6, cleared it, and pulled the trigger.....this cost me a barrel and recoil rod.....at least.  I cannot get the slide back, and am not forcing the issue.  This will be going to SAR for inspection, and hopefully, repair.......I hope that just the barrel and recoil rod is done with.......

Barrel is clear, I can see the cases primer pocket in the chamber, which is just out of battery.....and the recoil rod looks to not be correct anymore.  .....really shortened my range time.

I will be contacting SAR USA to see if this can be repaired/fixed....if not I will be looking for another B6 for replacement.


My knowledge of how these run, plus the fact that I didn't feel any "danger" when the incident happened.....this gun is solid.  Made to save the firer......

[jwc007]

     Sounds like you may have had a Squib Load with the next round blowing it up. 

Glad that you were not harmed in this event!

As I've said many times, the Sarsilmaz Pistols are generally very well made and perform well beyond their price point! 
This just proves that the Sarsilmaz Pistols are made with very good materials, the Steel in particular. 

Exactly what Ammunition were you using! 

[Stanseven]

     Sounds like you may have had a Squib Load with the next round blowing it up. 

Exactly what Ammunition were you using! 

Exactly.  I know of a couple instances where a squid caused this problem.  I lesson for anybody experiencing a round that doesn’t fire or goes up with a soft sound - clear the weapon and run a brass rod down the barrel to clear any stuck pieces of bullet

[Gunnerdad80]

Do you have any pictures to post of it? I’m curious to see it.

[bubbas4570]

     Sounds like you may have had a Squib Load with the next round blowing it up. 

Glad that you were not harmed in this event!

As I've said many times, the Sarsilmaz Pistols are generally very well made and perform well beyond their price point! 
This just proves that the Sarsilmaz Pistols are made with very good materials, the Steel in particular. 

Exactly what Ammunition were you using! 

My reloads. 

First round that started the fiasco:  sounded like a completely dead primer; immediate action drill:   rack the slide to clear malfunction, everything went into battery normally, pulled trigger again; next round:   very distinctive bang that got my attention.

Then my words were few, and not great.   

And the aftermath......

[bubbas4570]

https://imgur.com/a/ZPkxtYe

Here's to hoping this works for you guys.....I have struggled.with tech for years.

[jwc007]

Yup, that looks pretty bad, and it's exactly what I thought it was.

     Sounds like you may have had a Squib Load with the next round blowing it up. 

Primer, no Powder, driving the Bullet down the Barrel just enough to allow the next round to chamber, leading to catastrophic failure.

First round that started the fiasco:  sounded like a completely dead primer; immediate action drill:   rack the slide to clear malfunction, everything went into battery normally, pulled trigger again;

And that is where, things went totally wrong! Unless you are in the fight of your life, STOP and investigate when a round fails to function the Pistol properly.
Tactical training did NOT apply here.

At a minimum, the barrel will be trash, with possible damage to the frame and other bits.
IF the Slidestop Pin is intact, it may be possible to drive it out with a Punch.
You may, or may not, then be able to remove the Slide Assembly, but what you then see, won't be pretty!

In my opinion, you probably just would be better off just buying another B6, and writing this one off.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

The practice of physically looking into EVERY case after charging during the loading process cannot be stressed enough. You were lucky this time and you only trashed a gun. Guns can be replaced but fingers and eyes cannot.

[Gunnerdad80]

Yeah, definitely count your blessings on that one. Yikes.

[bubbas4570]

Ending to this story.......

The B6 was inspected by my local 'smith, per suggestions from SAR's gunsmith.  He came back with the best report I could hope for:   only the barrel was destroyed.  After examining, and comparison measurements with my other B6, there were no discrepancies in the damaged frame, slide, nor any other parts that he could find.  Then placing the good barrel into the damaged weapon and firing it, there were no problems encountered.

New barrel ordered from SAR.  Waiting on that.

Counting myself very happy that someone else was watching over me, once again.

And making preps to pull the rest of that lot of ammo, as it has been somewhat of a problem since loading it.  This bullet only functioned in  the CZ clones, and that is not acceptable for me.  One other thing is that it is extremely dirty, due to the lube that is on the bullets......

[cracker57]

while shooting a drill I had a squib, did not know it was a squib I thought it was a fail to fire did the slap and rack but got lucky as it would not go into battery. I was wearing foam plugs as well as ear muffs and did not hear the primer. I no longer double up my hearing protection as I want to be able to hear if its a squib or a fail to fire.
 

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

And making preps to pull the rest of that lot of ammo, as it has been somewhat of a problem since loading it.  This bullet only functioned in  the CZ clones, and that is not acceptable for me.  One other thing is that it is extremely dirty, due to the lube that is on the bullets......

In the future monitor your powder charges much more closely. That is where your problem began an ended in this situation.

[jwc007]

Ending to this story.......

The B6 was inspected by my local 'smith, per suggestions from SAR's gunsmith.  He came back with the best report I could hope for:   only the barrel was destroyed.  After examining, and comparison measurements with my other B6, there were no discrepancies in the damaged frame, slide, nor any other parts that he could find.  Then placing the good barrel into the damaged weapon and firing it, there were no problems encountered.

New barrel ordered from SAR.  Waiting on that.

Counting myself very happy that someone else was watching over me, once again.

And making preps to pull the rest of that lot of ammo, as it has been somewhat of a problem since loading it.  This bullet only functioned in  the CZ clones, and that is not acceptable for me.  One other thing is that it is extremely dirty, due to the lube that is on the bullets......

Glad it turned out better than I thought the damage was, and yes, you were being protected from the heavens, for sure! 

On the bright side, this incident does prove that the SAR B6 and previous B6P, are very well made and durable Pistols!
Just because they are Polymer Framed and more affordably priced, does not mean they are cheaply made.
I've always found that the Sarsilmaz Pistols perform well beyond their price point!!! 
I love my SAR Pistols and I trust them for serious duty!!!

On a reloading note, when I am loading 9mm on my old Dillon XL650 Press, just before I seat any Bullet, I glance down the Case for Powder level, as I go to seat the Bullet.
On another note, even Factory Ammunition may sometimes produce a squib. Particularly, some "bargain" FMJ types.

[Wobbly]

On another note, even Factory Ammunition may sometimes produce a squib.

True. I've seen Winchester WB produce a squib with my own eyes. I have it on video somewhere.

[Stanseven]

Same here.  I had a squid with Federal.  Thefy had me return four boxes with the same lot number and replaced them.  They seemed very concerned and wanted to test others in the same lot.