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Stephen-Camp

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CZ-75 9mm (Pre-B) Review (Long Term)
« on: May 26, 2001, 01:30:09 PM »
Hello.  I own several older CZ-75 9mm pistols.  All are Pre-B, but none are the short-framed version
with the slide having a longer relief cut that came out earlier.

I've been using them for nearly 20 years now and feel pretty secure in the following observations:

1.  Slide-to-frame fit is NOT as tight as on current models.

2.  Slide-to-bbl fit is tight as anything made and most bank vaults!

3.  Ransom rest tests with these looser slide-to-frame-fit guns will give a distorted view of their
inherent accuracy, i.e., they will appear less capable of grouping than they are.

4.  Hand-held and from a rest, these guns can and will outgroup many other more costly makes that
often cost considerably more.

5.  These earlier pistols that came with the matte finish that appears to be some kind of baked on enamel
are not as well done as the current guns.

6.  Sights are definitely harder to use at speed and for aging eyes than are the "B" models.

7.  Reliability is extreme with not only ball, but most JHPs.

8.  They are robust; I'm still using original parts in all of them and all of them have been shot quite
a bit.

9.  Sights are well-regulated from the box in terms of windage, but most of mine needed just a very
slight amt of front sight filed down to bring up a low point-of-impact to point-of-aim.

10.  These older spur-hammered guns can bite a bit, but bobbing the hammer about 1/8" solves that.

11.  The old, original plastic stocks are not immune to much and will even warp under lights used for
photography.  I've never had much problem with solvents, but I've never really gotten alot of it on them
without immediately removing it.  I've replaced all of the original stocks.

12.  Though subjective, the more rounded contour of the trigger seems more comfortable to me than
the current pistols' triggers.

13.  Trigger pull, both DA and SA seems smoother, lighter, and in the case of the SA, cleaner, due to
there being no firing pin safety to gum up the works.

14.  The Pre-B guns lend themselves to dryfiring without nearly so much worry as the B guns as the
former uses the traditional firing pin retaining plate to hold the firing pin/spring while the newer guns
have a roll pin mounted through the slide.

15.  I've noted no difference in "smoothness" of function with the Pre-Bs, which have no full-length
guide rod compared to the B versions, which do.

16.  Magazine release button springs seem almost too light on the older guns, unlike the B guns.

Each of my CZ-75s has had thousands of warmer handloads and none show any extreme wear at all, but
all do have bright spots on the rails where the finish has been removed.  I've had all of mine refinished
in various ways from conventional blue, black parkerizing, to a combination of hard chromed frame with
blued slide.

Examination of the extractor claw leads me to believe that these can be quite suseptible to breakage
if one continually drops a round in the chamber and closes the slide rather than feeding from the magazine.

In short, I think the design is proven, reliable, and long-term.  Based on what I've seen with my Pre-B
CZs, current CZs should last at least as long and possibly longer.

Best.

Offline JUNGLE MAN MOD

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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2001, 06:02:04 PM »
That's a great review. Very informative and helpful. Just the stuff that will sell even more CZ's. Keep up the good work.

Stephen-Camp

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2001, 06:05:45 PM »
Hello, sir.  Thanks for the kind words.  During my misspent youth, I was able to own about every kind
of handgun I wanted.  (Sure wish I still had some that I foolishly let get away.)  Today, despite having
a rather nice selection, when I go to the range, it's usually a P35, a 1911, or a CZ that goes with me.
I may've just "rediscovered the wheel" as others do rate these guns pretty highly, but they have
worked for me.....first-hand.

Best.

karlozg

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2001, 09:10:47 PM »
I have known of the excellent reputation of the CZ design ever since I got involved with firearms more than 18 years ago, when I came into the USA, but the idea of actually owning one was beyond my imagination, specially during the Cold War, I have recently discovered by accident the current new generation of CZs, and all those old articles from Guns and Ammo I read so many years ago come to memory again.

Nice review, you reassure me again, that I made the right decision of buying not one, but two CZ in the last two/three weeks, and not the Walther as I was going to; Although I dont have any of those two CZs yet (One is at my FFL, and the other is in transit ) I feel like I just got the biggest  winning price.
Thank you,

Carlos

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2001, 10:49:05 AM »
Very thorough and informative review! Although I own a 75B and have never noticed the lack of smoothness you described with your B model. But I was wondering if you've heard anything about the approximate service life of the 75B. The official website only says it is "long." What have you heard/experienced with your pistols?

Stephen-Camp

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2001, 05:30:50 PM »
Hello.  I don't know the "life span" of the CZ 75.  I've been shooting mine quite regularly since the
early '80s and am still on original parts and going strong.  Best.

polemis

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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2001, 05:46:40 PM »
Stephen, how many rounds have you put through your barrel?

--Spiros

Stephen-Camp

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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2001, 05:54:26 PM »
Hello, Spiros!  I can only estimate since I have more than one CZ75, but I suspect I've got
10 to 12 thousand rounds through each of them.  I rigorously clean my bbls when through and
never see how "hot" I can get them by running mag after mag after mag through them.

Best.

polemis

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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2001, 12:53:29 PM »
Stephen,

I was reading in a book on the history of the 9mm Parabellum that the life of a barrel is 10,000 shots. Is that a good rule of thumb? Do people generally go through barrel changes when owning a centerfire pistol?

It seems rather few to me. I would think a modern firearm is built for at least double that (20,000).

--Spiros

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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2001, 02:35:34 PM »
I would think it depends on a number of factors:

1) As Stephen mentions whether one gets the barrel very hot.

2) Type of bullet that is run through it.  A jacketed should cause more wear
    than a lead bullet.

3) Type of barrel.  Don't know but perhaps a polygonal will outlast a
    conventional rifled barrel.

On another site someone claimed shooting lead bullets the barrel ought
to last the life of the gun or at least 50,000 rounds.

Bear

Stephen-Camp

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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2001, 05:21:05 PM »
Hello all.  It is possible that after 10K jacketed rounds, gilt-edge accuracy drops off.  Part of this
will depend, as the previous poster noted, on how hot you get the bbl.  I also think that bearing
surface on various bullets can make a difference as will how "hot" the load is.  Proper and
thorough cleaning does much to aid bbl life.

Best.

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2001, 07:28:56 AM »
Stephen A. Camp, what type of grip did you go with when replacing your original grips on your CZ75s? Thanks and regards, Richard

Stephen-Camp

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2001, 11:48:22 AM »
Hello, Richard.  They are the checkered, blonde-colored, wooden stocks from CZ.  They have a
slight palm swell.

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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2001, 11:39:05 PM »
I have a 1989 CZ75 pre B it has just on 30 000 rounds through it mostly cast bullet handloads.I still shoot around 1000 rounds a month through it in competition.

My original slide cracked under the extractor through the rail at its thinnest point.I bought another slide and had the crack repaired,since the repair it has been fine.

I replaced 1 slide stop pin in 1994 and another this year.

My original extractor broke about 5yrs ago and the extractor in the replacement slide broke about 2 yrs ago.A piece of the hook breaks off them.
My original firing pin broke 2 yrs back but keep in mind that for a period of 3 yrs I was doing draw and dryfire drills for 2 hrs every night this was while I was shooting ipsc.

I am still using the original barrel and without any accurizing of any kind it still shoots 5 inch groups at 50 yards with my handloads which I have never tried to develop for accuracy.

Drahcir75B

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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2001, 01:38:52 AM »

It's nice to hear all the positive reviews about the CZ-75.