No complaining allowed

[JUNGLE MAN MOD]

Spoken like a real man Eric. Well done.

[ATeaM]

You don't need to apologize Eric, but thank you anyways. I got caught up and made stupid comments as well. Best advice is too never take any of this seriously. Just laugh it off. Afterall, words on a screen don't add up to much in the big picture.

[ut83]

Ill tell you what...As soon as I start doing that again...I am off the computer and looking for a real life...know what I mean?  

Shoot well

[CZ75ID]

Ok guys watch the language in here. it's a CZF Family ya know.

I don't mind it, but others might.

If you want to talk from the hip..Hardcores is the place. Pull no punches.

ATEAM.. send your gun back to CZ..It IS NOT NORMAL for a CZ to be like that.

Call Marty and tell him you want a new gun. he might jump on me for telling you, but
then again..this place sees a lot of potential customers who see your posts have and
will think ALL Czs are like yours..



I bloody well mean it! Get a CZ that works, and then lets hear you story on the new gun.

You can't be blamed for trashing CZs, when your is seemingly a P*S. I had a Rossi.357
that was supposed to be the IN THING for revolvers. ported and all.

worse customer service than EAA>  it was totally Junk.

Problematic guns are bad for the otherwise outstanding/good CZUB image.

satisfied or reimbursed customers are quite better.If any problems or praise is
to be shown about these guns.it will wind up on CZF.


Should you have a problem or such. WE want to know. NO  Posts get censored or
deleted by Mods. only i can delete posts. If there is a problem post or poster.
just contact me.

Normally things have been real good here. Big boys and girls that can handle some
criticism.

Call 1-800-955-4486 and ask for Marty. tell him your problem.WE have been thru this
before,,people as members with guns they can't stand..totally unacceptable to
pay good money for a gun that is a lemon. lets get you back on track.

Think about the CZ40B, a gun that seems unstoppable at this point in our experience.
40B owners here can attest to that.

CZS are not perfect..no gun is. They just seem perfect for ME.




The CZ75 didn't compete in the 9mm trials. it would have won
yes most CZs do shoot 2 inch groups..and the 75SA outshot the
Les Baer and SIGP210-2 in tests. so what??

Unlike some companies.,CZ doesn't give away guns to cops...
like with your CZ probs, Sometimes  The Truth Hurts.

Contact me asap.

No CZs are not perfect, but they are wayy CZexy!!

[ptshaffer]

According to "Complete Guide to Service Handguns" by Gene Gangarosa, Jr., "The Model 85 was originally introduced in 1985 by Ceska Zbrojovka, Europe's second largest firearms manufacturer, but only after close assessment of its attraction to Western design trends and informal testing by the U.S. armed forces.  In the latter case, the 9mm Model 85 bested the M9 Beretta and SIG P226 in all aspects except in its safety configurations".  I concur.  I have been shooting 9mm handguns exclusively for the last 15 years, and CZ is head and shoulders above the rest.  I have owned almost every make of 9mm handgun made, and I only own pre-B CZ75s now.  Over the years I have put at least 100,000 rounds though these various pistols  In all the rounds I have put through my CZs (10s of thousands) I have never had a parts breakage.  Ever.  Soft parts?  Sorry, I don't buy it.  I have put at least 20,000 rounds though one of my pre-B CZ75s and the barrel shoots as good as when it was new.  I had Ashley Express install a set of their sights on one of my pre-Bs (I have 12, so I figured I could sacrafice one for such experiments), they had to mill a front dovetail in the slide.  They said the steel CZ uses in the slides must be some really hard stuff, as they had a hell of a time cutting through it with a carbide cutter.  In my experience, CZs beat the hype they have around them.  Berettas and Glocks and many, many others don't.  My .02 cents.

[Radom]

Sorry for the long post...

I only own two CZ pistols, and I have not had these for very long.  I'm not going to talk about them though...

My favorite gun store is a CZ stocking dealer.  This place is VERY BIG, roughly the size of a football field (with more security cameras than I have ever seen in one place too).  Anyways, this store has literally thousands of rifles and shotguns and hundreds of handguns.  It is better than a gunshow, because there is actually a sort of organizational principle at work!  

I love to walk around in there for hours.  You can see a company's entire product line or compare say, the major models of 9mm from the major manufacturers.  

When you compare the CZ product line to what else is available, they compare VERY favorably.  (Notice I have not mentioned price).  Obviously, none of us will ever get to shoot every gun we would like to try, so we must generalize and make inferences.  Fortunately, simple visual inspection and disassembly show the following about CZ products in general: superb fit, excellent and consistent finish, absence of visible tool marks (only minor ones on interior surfaces, if at all), quality and craftsmanship evident in all wooden stocks and grips, great ergonomics, logical safeties, smooth actions, etc., etc., etc.

People may claim that this is not "scientific," but have you ever seen a seriously flawed firearm that would fit the above description?  Every company lets the occaisional dog out of the factory doors.  (When this becomes the norm, we shooting enthusiasts usually employ joshing terms like "suck" or "blow".)  I am no expert, but I feel like I can tell whether or not a firearm is well-made.    

Real life story:  Today I saw a fellow who was about to buy a used Daewoo 9mm.  I started talking to him, and I found out that he wanted "a decent 9mm for around $300."  I showed him the new CZ 75B Mils and told him about mine.  He left the store with his new CZ about 45 minutes later.  This is the second time this has happened to me (new Ruger the first time).

On a final note, I doubt that CZ makes the VERY BEST anything, but I do honestly wonder about some of the rifles.  At the same time, CZ makes a gun better than I can shoot for the same price as indifferent/mediocre guns.

[Walt-Sherrill]

Owning both a Daewoo DP-51 and having owned a CZ-75B, I'd be hardpressed to decide which is better.  (I now have a CZ-85 Combat.)

They're both very good guns.  I got my used DP-51 in a trade, so if I were to have to spend real dollars, I'd probably go with the CZ, 'cause you're likely to get better warranty support.

But don't think the Daewoo isn't a good gun.  

Its very good.  And mine is a real tackdriver.  (As I noted elsewhere on the CZ-Forum, I used it in a local IDPA match recently and it performed very well.)   I'll do a comparison of performance between the CZ-85 Combat and the DP-51 in a few days.  (Would've done it yesterday but my wife was sick and I stayed home from the range...)

Small, light, accepts readily available (S&W 59 series) hi-cap mags, marvelous tri-action trigger, with a safety that works in all modes.  Feels a lot like a SIG and points well.

[yuppiejr]

Question - I was told at the gun dealer I purchased my CZ-75 that using the slide release to close on an EMPTY magazine can cause premature wear of the slide stop.  Something about the "drag" created im chambering a round helps slow the slide down so the stop will not be damaged.

I noticed at most ranges, the officer will eject open the slide, check for a chambered round, eject the magazine and then hand the firearm to the renter.  The renter's first move is usually to peek in the chamber themselves, install the empty magazine and then operate the slide release on an empty magazine.  (perhaps explaing premature wear of slide stops in some CZ range pistols?)

In contrast, most shooters with their own firearms that I've watched will HOLD the slide when closing it unloaded.

Am I missing something?  I was not taught either way so I had tended to let the slide slam shut on automatics even with an empty magazine.  After getting the advice with my new 75 D PCR purchase I have always hand guided the slide home on an empty mag.  

Thoughts?

[CZ75ID]

i'll opt for a little more wear..as opposed to a bad habit of
'running the slide forward'

if you do that in a stressful period..i.e burglar in house.
you could upset the cycle.Like short-stroking an 870..
and then you are not going to like it.

Just my opinion..

Sounds like the Range Officer is an picky type..trying to
catch someone with a loaded gun, rather than doing it
correctly.

eject magazine, clear chamber, press checking is for those
who need to inspect..if they are not in constant control
of the weapon.

You guys do it your way..i'll do it the way i was trained.
I've seen my share of "press Check" ADs..and injuries.

if the goal is a "safe" empty chamber weapon..why risk
the press check?

SAfe Shooting!

[Radom]

In re "The Mythical Slide Stop Problem":

I own three CZ pistols.  Including my friends', that brings my total experience with these pistols to 6 guns representing 5 models.  

THERE IS NO SLIDE STOP PROBLEM!  CZs come with fairly weak stock springs.  In particular, the stock spring of the 97B is VERY weak (only 13 lbs.).  Any premature wear of the slide stop is the fault of the weak spring, NOT the slide stop per se.  After all, either the stop is made of steel or not...