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Offline enkidu

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Yet another PCR review
« on: April 28, 2002, 09:04:28 PM »
Hi, I just purchased a new PCR from www.krausewerk.com/ , a local shop.  Picked it up on 5/26 and went shooting with it today.  Frame mark indicates that it was made in 1999.

This is my second gun after my Browning Buckmark 5.5 standard which I bought around 4 years ago.  Also a very nice gun, but impossible to get any custom parts other than barrels.  I've put around 5 or 6 bricks through it over the years.  With Remington Thunderbolts or other high velocity cheap ammo, I have trouble keeping it in the black (B-3 target) off one hand at 50' but with the Federal Target, I can pretty keep all of my shots in the black with slow fire.  Timed and rapid fire still needs some work.

First impressions were that, empty, it is really light.  Much lighter than the Buckmark with it's bull barrel and steel frame.  The PCR fits my hand extremely well, even better than the Buckmark.  SA is pretty good, but DA was a little stiffer than I expected.  My right trigger finger must be alot stronger than my left because I don't have any trouble firing it DA with my right, but my left hand has trouble.  (I also have pretty small hands so that may be part of the problem).  Maybe I could use some thinner grips.  Maybe some Hakan's?  I need to work on my trigger pull strength also.

The single action pull is pretty rough out of the box with some roughness during take up (moving the firing pin block out of the way?) and then some creep (which cams the hammer back further from full cock) before breaking cleanly.  The break is pretty crisp but the roughness and creep is bothersome.  Compared to the Buckmark, the SA trigger feels slightly lighter but much rougher.

The gun was very well finished, inside and out, with no rough tooling marks and such.  The recoil spring was one of the new fangled double coiled jobs which I had never seen before (just goes to show you what a cave I've been living in).  Everything was covered in the oil which needed to be wiped off.  After wiping it all off, I lightly oiled the rails on the frame and slide.  I was surprised that the recoil rod was made of some kind of synthetic material.  Just curious but does anyone know of any after-market alternatives?  I was surprised that the rubber grips were exposed to the mag chamber.  In contrast, the rubber grips on the Buckmark have a metal insert on the inside.

There was also an included dry firing insert made of plastic, but it was a pain to insert.  It evidently needs to be inserted by hand into the barrel and the slide slammed home.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading somewhere that doing this is probably not good for the extractor.  Fortunately, I had purchased a set of 9mm snap caps from www.pistoleer which arrived that same day.  These snap caps are profiled like a real 9mm FMJ round, anodized black and with a resilient piece of stuff in place of the primer.  I dry fired with this a for about an hour on Friday.

Taking it to the range (Jackson Arms in South San Francisco) I loaded up the first mag with one round and shot at the standard NRA B-3 50 ft timed and rapid fire target.  I had ordered 1000 round of S&B 115 grain ammo from cheaper than dirt (along with a brick of .22 Federal Target) so I was well prepared.  It shot exactly POA at 50 ft.  Recoil was, of course, much sharper than the Buckmark :-) with a lot of muzzle flip.  I shot 3 boxes of 9mm, along with 2 boxes of .22.  I had one FTE in the second mag full, where the extractor seemed to slip off of the round and leave it in the barrel.  Opening night jitters I guess.  I needed to drop the mag and cycle the slide to clear it.

BTW, the right ammunition really makes a big difference in the Buckmark.

Afterwards, one of the RO's gave me some of his .45 SWC reloads to test with the rental Sig 220.  I don't know if it was because it was broken in, but WOW!  The Sig trigger was much, much better.  No creep and a very crisp consistent break.  No comparison with the PCR.  I'm hoping the PCR's will improve after I break it in, but i'm also considering sending it to Mike at CZ-USA.

All in all, the PCR is a very, very nice gun, with the long DA pull and rough SA trigger being the only problems out of the box. Fit and finish seem to be very good. After my holster arrives from Don Hume, I'm looking forward to PPC and IDPA shooting next month at the Chabot gun club.  Thanks to everybody on these forums for their advice and help.  I'm looking forward to lots of fun shooting my PCR and talking about them on CZForum.com.

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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2002, 01:33:08 AM »
Re: snap cap.

You shouldn't let the slide slam forward on an loaded chamber with a 1911, but I don't know of any problems with doing that with most other guns.  (The 1911 extractors are a bit delicate.)

Your experience with the trigger on a new CZ was similar to mine with both my 75B and 40B; the CZ-85 Combat trigger was better.  That said, I routinely get trigger jobs on almost every new gun I get, early on.  

(Most people recommend waiting unti after 500+ rounds, as normal break in will generally improve the trigger -- but I'm too impatient.  I want my first 500 rounds to be more fun than that...)


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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2002, 06:49:08 PM »
It's nice to see we have a scholar in the group.  Nice name, say hello to Utnapishtim for me.  Ha Ha!

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Yet another PCR review
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2002, 09:55:09 PM »
Thanks.  I would have chosen gilgamesh but it's just too bleep long :-).

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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2002, 10:41:53 PM »
enkidu,
   Thanks for the review - here's a few things I've figured out over the last few months about the PCR.

recoil rod:
   The rod is made of polymer to act as a kind of recoil buffer. The gun is light because the frame is made of alloy - but alloy frames are more vulnerable to damage from the slide slamming back and forth. The polymer guide rod helps to absorb some of the impact - probably best to stick with it.

trigger creep:
   I believe the trigger creep will never go away, unless of course your sear starts to get soft and the angles change - which is a bad thing. Over time, it will get smoother, but from what I gather, it will still creep. Changing the sear and hammer engagement will make it crisp - but you need to send it to Mike, or have a local smith do it.
   I've worked on the trigger on my BHP, and it has a good, crisp trigger now - but it is still heavier than the PCR in SA. Despite the creepy trigger on my CZ, I find that in dry firing, I hold the PCR steadier than the BHP. The PCR's trigger is light, and I think the overtravel is pretty negligible (Hakan's excellent grips may have something to do with it as well).
   I've been looking at the action on my PCR, trying to figure out where the remaining grittiness is coming from. I don't think the firing pin adds that much to it, because there is still grit when the slide is off. I'm leery of detail stripping the PCR's action to find out since it looks fairly complicated.

   Steve

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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2002, 01:14:21 PM »
Thanks SteveYC!  I'll take your advice and stick with the polymer recoil rod. With regards to the trigger and creep, rather than waiting and seeing what will improve, I'm going to send it to Mike at CZ and get a trigger job done. As soon as I can bear to be parted with it that is. It's light enough right now, but it could be alot crisper.

Aside from the trigger, the PCR fits my hand very very well.  It points well, shoots well, and just plain feel right.  A much better fit than the Sig220, 239 or any of the Glocks I've tried. I'm looking forward to alot of shooting with it.

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2002, 11:26:16 PM »

   I'm going to shoot my PCR some more before "seeking professional help".

   I'm starting to come around to the idea of single action pistols. I know that Mike can do an SA only conversion for ~$200, but I want to be sure of the work I want done before sending it out.

   I'm also starting to think that crispness isn't as important to me as it being light and smooth. Some bullseye shooters seem to like "rolling" triggers, and in a defensive situation, I don't know if you'd notice crisp vs. rolling.

   Steve

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2002, 05:21:38 AM »
enkidu, carry the PCR and see if the decocker rubs you. It is one of the two things I don't like about the PCR. What is the other dislike? I don't care for the grips and I have replaced mine with factory wood ones. Yes, if hakan had made grips for the PCR, when I bought the the factory wood grips, it would now be wearing Hakan's. Other than these two small points I like the pistol a lot. Regards, Richard

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Yet another PCR review
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2002, 09:57:34 AM »
Hakan does make grips for the PCR..same as the Compact.  I had a set and sold them with the gun.  Just for future reference.  Shoot well

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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2002, 07:48:58 AM »
PCR CLUB was created for those of you who are thrilled with the CCW favorite.

No that it's out of production,,it seems even more popular.

Yes, the DA trigger pull is Military grade..as (like the
CZ-100) they are intended for Policie issue.

I would like to actually see a SA version of the PCR.
It can be done..so someone should do it.

Hakan makes some czuper nice grips for the Compacts/PCRS..(and all CZs) just ask MArko and others.

ANyone with such grips can always send me pics.

I'm hearing that there will be some Cuztomized
PCRs showing up here soon. You CZFers sure love them.