CZ Surprise Grab Bag for ST75 IPSC

[Cricket67]

Well, I finally got my ST IPSC .40 in yesterday. To be honest, I was a bit put off by the finish. It looked like somebody spray painted it. It seemed to fit a toy gun, but not a competition gun.

The SA trigger is excellent with a bit of creep.

The slide seems smooth over the travel area on the frame, but seems very tight when pulling it off or back onto the frame???

The parts that came with it, are 3 slide stops, 1 mag release retention screw, a small allen key, a flat CZ thumb screwdriver, an extractor spring, and several pins??? Why would they send parts that would probably never be replaced?? It seems like a big hype to me and a big disappointment. They also sent about 20 plastic buffers.

I am off to the range tonight to see how it shoots, and will post further details tomorrow. BTW, they couldn't even splurge for the dots on the sights.

And I really miss the ambi slide lock - something I have gotten quite used to with my 85 combat.

[Cricket67]

I spoke with upper management in Prague about my problems with this new gun.  Supposedly, "the pistol wasn't produced in 2002 even though mine has a date stamp of "02", because CZ didn't produce one single CZ 75 ST IPSC pistol in 2002. This is due to the lack of production capacity."

I have been sold a lemon and the law will prevail.  I hope whoever fraudulently sold a used gun as new goes to jail!

"Also, there is not a chance that CZ would send magazines with engraved numbers on it or magazines with worn-out finishing. The CZ's Quality Control Department wouldn't allow it."  I always thought CZ had better control process'.  My 85 Combat is flawless.

[Cricket67]

Just to let everyone know, I still have not heard back from Prague yet about this 'interesting' pistol.  As mentioned earlier, this gun has a '02' date stamp on it, but checking out the test grouping that came with it, I was really p%**&( off.  The test data was shown to have taken place in 1999.  

How can you test a gun three years before it was even made???

[Walt-Sherrill]

You need to talk to the dealer from whom you bought the weapon.

If you are dissatisfied with the gun -- and there are some hinky things about it -- you need to talk to him and ask him to make it right.  You think it was used (and the wear you describe seems to be the wear that would come from quite a bit of use), and you know the date on the slide doesn't match the targets.  You also said that some of the mags were bad.

Get the dealer to talk to the distributor.  You need a partial rebate of sale price or the NEW GUN you paid for.    At the least, you need fully functional magazines.  

In your earlier message, you talked of using the law.  Who you going to sue?  

Talk to your dealer, and raise hell.  You paid more than you should have and 1) you want a partial refund, or 2) you want a new gun.  If you keep the gun and get a refund, you also want good magazines.

[Cricket67]

I have had dealings with my dealer and they are sending new mags, but this was prior to me finding out about the date issued.   I have also had some discussions with some upper management at Prague and should hear back tommorrow.  It was Prague that actually informed me that they did not make this gun in 2002.  I don't know who is doing what, but you are right when you said I should demand a new gun, or if I keep the gun, at least get new mags and a hefty discount.  Someone is pulling a fast one here and they need to be dealt with legally.  Fraudulently selling firearms, especially restricted ones in Candad is illegal.  I involved Prague only because I like their firearms and thought that they should know if a distributer is pulling a fast one on their customers.  It does not make CZ look good.  I really did not expect to have to go through all of this hastle.

[Cricket67]

The true year of manufacture was in fact 1999. Said pistol was sold to "FRANKONIA" chain, Germany the same year. The CZ called the CZ 75 ST IPSC pistols back
on recall program by end of the 2000. Your pistol came back from FRANKONIA
warehouse "as a new and never used" in December 2001 for slide replacement
and some additional modifications, such as addition of recoil buffer system.
Reworked pistol was then sold to Canada as a new in 2002. This is the reason
why your pistol is now bearing "02" markings.
 Everyone, who owns now the CZ 75 ST is very happy with the pistol
performance and reliability. No one from the shooters knew about incurring
slide problems. We found about slide problems ourselves, and in order to
prevent any dismays, we recalled the pistols for modifications.

[Cricket67]

Just to let everyone know - I just received a set of four brand new mags.  These new mags were really new, and had a different design - they work flawlessly.  Previously, I must have received some old design or something, as the old ones had a base plate about 1.5" tall and the new one only .25" tall with full metal to the bottom.  They are even 15 rounders, and will need to be plugged.

[Walt-Sherrill]

Why must they be plugged?  Can't you just NOT load them to capacity?   (Or is it a legal thing?)

In IDPA you can use any size mag you want, but you just can't load more than the maximum for your division  (8 for Custom Defensive Pistol, 10 for Stock Service Pistol and Enhanced Service Pistorl, 6 for revolver, and 5 for Back Up Gun.)

[Cricket67]

I am still enquiring about this with my instructor.  Although, the Canadian Firearms regulations stipulate that no magazine shall hold more than 10 rounds; and I believe that this would out precident the IPSC rules.  In the standard division there is not a maximum number that a magazine can hold.  Although, I have no intention of putting more than 10 rounds in Competition, I may have to do the unthinkable, alter something that works perfect.  Arghhh...our glorious Canadian gun rules and regulations.   No wonder I miss the occaissional target - I am up to my neck in paper, lol.

[Cricket67]

I will have to do something with the mags.  Currently I could do up to 40 years of hard time for just simple possession - that's 10 years for each offense, 4 mags.  I better gett them done before the other 4 come, lol.  I cannot imagine what one would do in jail for that long.

I was thinking, I should put the plugs at the bottom as to not interfere with the feeder.  I was thinking of casting some lead weight and rivot or epoxy it to the mag base plate.  Any other ideas??

[debeecorley]

Let me get this straight.  You got legal magazines with your initial purchase.  They had the required 1.5 inch plastic extenders and held 10 rounds.  You complained to Prague and they sent you 15 round magazines.

And if I read this correctly, CZ broke import laws, with the illegal magazines, if the distribution system (Distributer, dealer) received and forwarded these illegal magazines then they are guilty of a Canadian law violation.  And you are guilty of a illegal act (by possessing the high-capacity magazines) and by the way admitting it right here in cyberspace.

All of this in a CZ pistol review.

By the way, how do you like the ST?

[Cricket67]

Besides the plugged mags, the ST is a wonderful piece of competitive metal.  Just need to make some fiber optic front sights this year before Nationals.