CZ IPSC

[Payne]

I am getting into shooting 3-gun competitions.  For a handgun used in the USPSA standard division I needed (wanted) a hi-cap handgun that shot major caliber.  I had a Glock 34 but that shot minor (and I am not the biggest glock fan because of the way that it points) and I had a single stack 1911 that I really like but was handicapped by the lack of round capacity.

I purchased a slightly used (500 rounds) CZ 75 Standard IPSC complete with two 16 round mags. and three 10 round mags.  Also came with CR Speed holster, mag pouches, and belt system.  It has "OO" marked near the ejection port so I assume it was born in 2000.  Owner said it never came with shock buffs or extra parts.

What am I going to have to watch for in the future with this weapon.  My research finds the following:

Pros:  Great accuracy, reliability, ergonomics matching the 1911, easy to shoot, ready to compete out of the box.

Cons:  Polymer trigger "might" break, rear sight is weak, slide "might" crack after numerous rounds,

Any ideas or suggestions are welcome.  I haven't even got the weapon home yet but can't wait.  I wanted an STI but didn't want to spend the money just yet.  Then I found this weapon and find many people saying it is equal to the STI in many ways.

Thanks in advance.

[race1911]

You have all the right equipment for a good "Limited" division gun...........I would make sure though you do two things....run it with a shock buff AND add a stronger pin to to keep the rear adjustable sight in place.........if you get really enthusiastic you might try milling (7mm I think???) the slide to take into account the width of the buff as in  www.strictlyipsc.com     website............have fun shooting it, it's all everyone says for alot less cost

[iron9]

No, don't mill anything on slide like I did. It has proved unnecessary. I did that when I tried out different shok buffs of my own gun, during a time there was no factory ones at hand.
You could just install new shok buffs and do nothing else if you only use the slide lock that doesn't have a last-round-lockup feature.
If you can't live without that, the notch for lock-up in the slide has to be elongated backwards the equivalent of the buffs thickness. It is manufactured in 2000, but it may have been altered already before sales. Check before you do anything.

Regards
Johnny Nilsson
www.StrictlyIPSC.com

[TY44934]

Go to Johnn'y site above.
As for his buffer advice, it is 100% correct; just use regular CZ bufffers. The new slide modification (if needed) is to mill the catch slot on the slide forward, I believe it is .40 thousandths of an inch.

The trigger will not break. Anyone who really shoots (ie, IPSC or 3 gunners) quickly becomes accustomed to the sub 2 lb trigger; they start off near 2 lbs but will lighten up once broken in. The reason some Americans break the trigger is that they are ham-fisted & forget to remove the safety & just keep pulling (even though 1.2 lbs makes both my guns go off) or they lend the gun to ignorant frineds to try out. The problem is always the user, not the gun or design). If you are paranoid, buy the steel one from CZ for $50.

Never heard of slides cracking.

This is an excellent gun; do a search here for my post marked HOLSTER WARNING and never, EVER use this gun in a Limcat holster!!!!!

[Walt-Sherrill]

Slides cracking happened very early in the IPSC's production life.  That problem has long been designed out of the guns.

[Payne]

That was part of my question I guess.  

This gun was manufactured in 2000.  At what time (what year) did the slide crack problem get taken care of, before 2000?  

The previous owner said it never came with shock buffs and he has never used any.  Where do you get them and are they really needed?  If so, why didn't the gun come with them.  Where can you get a solid pin for the rear sight.

Thanks for the help guys.

[iron9]

Hi Payne
I bought my gun in May 2000 and this gun was one of the five first shipped to Sweden. I heard about cracked slides months before my purchase, and I assume they occured with pre-production guns.
IPSC Stand was used as early as 1998 in European Championships in Greece. I'm not sure if any off-the line guns from 2000 suffered cracks in slides or frames. It might just as well be the case as these guns where sold without any buffers in the beginning. If only 500 rds was put through your gun without buffers, it shouldn't make any difference.

Regards
Johnny Nilsson

[Payne]

Great,

Thanks for the help guys.  You have been most helpful.  Now to get the little bugger home and start practicing.

[angus hobdell]

It's funny you know. The harder I practise the luckier I get.

[Payne]

Still haven't received the gun yet, but I wish to be prepared.

It comes with two 16 rd. mags. and three 10 rd. mags.  I would like to purchase more hi-cap mags. and possibly some +2 base pads.  Best place to order these?

I would also like to get Wolf recoil spring set ups.  Best place to order these?

Recoil reducer.  Best place to order this?

And last but not least.  Best place to order a metal trigger?

I know CZ-USA should have some of this stuff.  Does anyone have phone number for these guys?

Thanks in advance.

[Grendel]

Wolff springs:
Here

Magazines:
Here

[TY44934]

Widge-  thanks for the link to CDNN (good folks) but:

NO! CDNN does NOT sell CZ 75 Standard IPSC magazines!!!!!!

The CZ-75 Standard IPSC and new Tactical Sports are .40 caliber CZ and they DO NOT use the magazines sold by CDNN; those mags will NOT work. Only mags from CZ-USA will fit (unless and until they start importing Mec Gars).

Regards,

TY

[jkushner1]

Payne:
You must use the shok buff's. The Sprinco guide rod is quite nice. I leant my ST to the Sprinco guys for development of their product, with their rod or the stock guide rod, use the buffs. Loading .40 to major (about 167 PF), I run an 11 lb wolf recoil spring with the Sprinco. By the way, Angus now has fiber optic front sights for the TS, so if you can get your hands on the new TS fixed rear, replace the OFM LPA rear with one, its a phenomenal sight and add Angus' front fiber optic. I have a new TS in .40 built by Angus to compliment my ST IPSC. I had Angus install the SA Comp Hammer along with the alloy SA trigger, dropped a Sprinco and fiber optic front installed by Angus. Sweeeeet.
Last thing, if your shooting three gun, I would stay away from race holsters and get a Blade-Tec or Comp-Tac for your ST - too much crawlin' and crouchin in three gun for a race holster.

If your capacity hungry, you might want to add the new Taylor Freelance +2/+3 base pads. But the new TS mags available from Mike E at CZ-USA are 17 rounds up from the older 16 ST IPSC mags - this family gun mag can only be bought from CZ.

[Payne]

I have ordered the 17 rd. magazine from CZ-USA.  Mike said to order the shock buff from Buffer Technology, that they didn't have them.

I have the Springco Recoil Reducer coming and I have some Wilson Shock Buffs on hand.  I hope they work for now.

I will keep an eye on the rear sight pin and look into the fixed unit sold by Angus at a later date.  I hope it will fit into the dovetail of the adjustable sight.  Anyone with experience with this?

Thanks for all of the help.

[Payne]

Just picked up the gun today.  Very nice.

Spare parts were in the case but no shock buffs.  Guide rod is metal.

Can't wait to go shooting.  Nicest "feeling" gun I have ever held.  Great trigger.

Payne