i tried rubber sleeves, by hogue, unfortunatly , as your aware the original grip size of the 83pistol is already fat,so it sorda felt wierd, so i took itt off, went back to same ole plastic, i really do love this gun, just cant understand why c/z does not manufacture rubber grips as an alternative, imo feels much much better, my 75b came with rubber grips, ahhhh my favorite gun.....their both awesome pistols....