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Offline wgungho

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SP01 9mm to .40 questions
« on: February 22, 2009, 12:07:01 PM »
There's an SP01 .40 upper for sale in the Classifieds.  I have a new SP01 manual safety coming from Ghost Products.  The upper for sale apparently came from a Tactical decocker.  Will this upper go on the manual safety without any modifications?  Will it go on my CZ75Bs without mods?  The ad says it was "adjusted" with 800 grit paper.  Is that going to affect function or accuracy?  Do the 75B mags for .40s work in 9mm pistols?
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Tom 

Offline CM Rich

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Re: SP01 9mm to .40 questions
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 10:08:14 PM »
You have to be careful when switching to a different caliber, especially when you go up from a 9mm to the much higher pressure .40. Granted, you're not dropping a barrel into a slide, but an entire top end onto a frame, but you must err on the side of caution- I don't know if a frame manufactured for 9mm is up to the task of handling 40 cal on a regular basis.

Fitting a different slide onto a frame can be tricky at times. If the seller has stated he is selling the slide after making some adjustments, I'd be a bit wary. Afterall, you must ask, 'why is he selling this thing after fitting it? Did something go wrong, or is he just not into the caliber?". Nothing against the seller, but you must be very careful when buying used parts sight unseen.

Also, keep in mind that CZ mates specific slides and frames together at the factory. There will always be very minor differences between the same parts. Generally, if you have a part that has too much metal that needs to go, its not nearly as bad as having too little. Unless you are a skilled wielder and are proficient in shaping rails, this would be a very difficult task to undertake. I wouldn't want to do so, myself. Again, buying the part sight unseen without the ability to pre-fit the part in person is risky business.

Slide fit is extremely crucial. Unless you're very confident and skilled, you shouldn't rush into it.

I do not believe 9mm mags will work with 40. The feeding lips would be a major concern. I just popped a 40 cal bullet into a 9mm 75B mag to see, and while the 40 cal does slide in, it pushes the follower down alot further, and thus the cartridge sits far beneath the lips. Feeding would be erratic, at best. You would need to purchase Tactical mags to go along with the slide.


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Re: SP01 9mm to .40 questions
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2009, 10:32:57 PM »
the older style 9mm mags will not feed 9mm...but the new MecGar AFC mags will. they have a different shape at the top which allows the .40 case to sit higher.

I have not pushed it..but have shot a .40 top end on an SP01 frame and 75B frame. but my reloads on the lower end of velocities..did not really stress anything.

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Re: SP01 9mm to .40 questions
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2009, 08:09:25 PM »
Hey guys, Shooting 40 cal not really much different from +P.see the links,  40 CAL http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/40sw/pro40-165-g27.htm, 9mm http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/9mm/geo9-124+p-g26.htm . The new mags worked fine for the 40, the old mags did have problems with the feed lips. We shot a 32 inch TV with 357 sig, 9mm and the 40. The 357 sig did the most damage, the 40 was next. Could not afford +P for the test, so the 9mm was target grade WWB. The cz is a world class weapon designed to survive on the battlefield. My cz 75 frame is from the late 90's.Thanks again, Stuart, I just don't like the snappy recoil and just don't have the money for 40 cal. The fitting was minor sanding to get it to run without changing the way the 9 mm top end all ready runs. Shoots about an inch to the left at 20 yards, and that may be me pulling the trigger wrong. John

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Re: SP01 9mm to .40 questions
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2009, 04:59:02 PM »
wgungho,

I have a partial answer for you.  I bought a CZ-75 SA (Single-Action) .40 S&W top-end with a Mec-Gar mag off the Internet.  I installed it on my CZ-75 with no fitment problems whatsoever and it functioned 100% right off the bat.

However, I really wanted to convert my Custom Shop 9mm SP-01 to .40 S&W.  It's a personal thing; I have come to like the .40 much more than the 9mm.  I reload and the .40 is very versatile.  To my surprise, the .40 top-end would not fit the SP-01 like it did the CZ-75.  I found the problem was interference in the sear block, namely at the base of the ejector and at the lower "cradle" at the rear of the sear block.  It took me about an hour to properly and very carefully clearance these areas for proper function. 

I love it now.  Shot about 225 rounds through it this weekend with 100% reliability.  My handload is 3.4 gns WW-231 and a Missouri 170 gn LSWC, with a 12 pound recoil spring.  Accuracy was excellent and I was able to get 15 rounds out of 20 into less than 2" at 25 yards with a sandbag rest.

CZ barrels and slides are not hand fit, but they do hold very good tolerances.  I doubt you would have any problems with the slide to frame or barrel to frame fit.  But you could run into clearance issues elsewhere, similar to my situation.  Be careful, take your time, and work methodically and slowly.
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Re: SP01 9mm to .40 questions
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2009, 03:28:27 PM »
Schmeky,
The upper in the CZ classifieds is off of an SP01 Tactical .40 which, as I understand it, was originally owned by eerw.  Shouldn't it pretty well fit another SP01?  eerw, if you see this, please chime in.  Why did you sell the upper?  I really like the .40 platform.
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Tom















Offline Stuart

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Re: SP01 9mm to .40 questions
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2009, 07:29:48 PM »
wanted to sell the gun..but found buyers for the top and the bottom instead.

it switched easily with my Shadow frame.

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Re: SP01 9mm to .40 questions
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2009, 09:32:23 PM »
Here's my SP-40.  This is the .40 slide/barrel mounted on my 9mm SP-01.  The accuracy acheived is what I had hoped for.  The extra weight of the SP frame tames the .40 down.

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Re: SP01 9mm to .40 questions
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2009, 07:11:26 PM »
I will assume a .40 cal upper is a lot more expensive than the drop in barrels for say, an XD40 down to a 9mm ($150ish)?
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