CZ 27 slide markings

[PrimarchBentley]

Has anyone seen/heard about markings being removed from the top of the slide?  I have a serial number marked on the top of the slide.  But between it and the front sight, it appears that metal was removed and and the surface polished to some degree, then the original bluing was applied.

It seems I've found pictures of either markings or no markings on top of the slide, but nothing about partial or 'something was there but removed'.  I can provide pictures later...

[skucera]

I'd like to see that.  Yes, please post pics.

Scott

[PrimarchBentley]

Okay, now that I've had the chance to take some pics...

An overall pic of the top of the slide.  A pic including the serial number stamp, as well as the German eagle.  And lastly, up by the front sight, where you can definitely tell metal has been removed from the top of the slide.

EDIT: Just to note, yes, slide and frame serial numbers match.
EDIT2: Oh, side pics here and here to round out images.  Not bad for $260 at a gun show, even the front corners of the grips are intact... 

[dean1818]

I also have a CZ 27 with similar markings, The machining does hurt the resale

But it does look like it is excellent condition.

There are a few that have been "chromed" from that era that also lose their value
And a few I understand, had the nazi marks removed, due to the climate in Europe right
after WWII

Does it also have the Nazi marks on the barrel ? In the chamber "window"

Its a good reliable shooter, but jams with hollow points

You will like it

[PrimarchBentley]

I also have a CZ 27 with similar markings, The machining does hurt the resale

Okay, so I'm not the only one.  I still wonder about the reason for this, why the top of the slide would be ground like that.  More for the history of the piece, y'know?

Does it also have the Nazi marks on the barrel ? In the chamber "window"

Yes, though there are no serials anywhere on the barrel.

Its a good reliable shooter, but jams with hollow points

Actually, I've put a box of Wolf (yeah, I know, but it was the only .32 I could find at the time...) hollow points through, and didn't have any feeding or ejection problems.  Stayed nice and stable on target, look forward to taking this out on the range in the future.

[dean1818]

I also have a CZ 27 with similar markings, The machining does hurt the resale

Okay, so I'm not the only one.  I still wonder about the reason for this, why the top of the slide would be ground like that.  More for the history of the piece, y'know?

Does it also have the Nazi marks on the barrel ? In the chamber "window"

Yes, though there are no serials anywhere on the barrel.

Its a good reliable shooter, but jams with hollow points

Actually, I've put a box of Wolf (yeah, I know, but it was the only .32 I could find at the time...) hollow points through, and didn't have any feeding or ejection problems.  Stayed nice and stable on target, look forward to taking this out on the range in the future.

I guess I was lucky, because mine has a nazi eagle and the SN on the top, but hasnt been                 machined

[dean1818]

Thats a VERY good price, even though it has been machined.

If you ran that through auction arms or gun broker, you would probably get higher

[czechollector]

If this was a very late production piece it's probable that the top of the slide was machined at the factory after the war for postwar sales.  I have a few like this.  Serial numbers are 47xxxx.  The side of the slides are unchanged.

[PrimarchBentley]

If this was a very late production piece it's probable that the top of the slide was machined at the factory after the war for postwar sales.  I have a few like this.  Serial numbers are 47xxxx.  The side of the slides are unchanged.

On the ones with machined slides that you speak of, do they have German Eagles as well, whether peened or unpeened?

As this is a 462xxx, and has the Eagle on top of the slide (appears to be peened, I'll take a closer look tonight), I wonder if this part of a batch that had been fully stamped and ready, but were still in the factory for end of the war/capture.  So afterwards, the top of the slide was then machined, but to preserve the serial number, the Eagle wasn't ground down completely but peened and called "good enough," to leave a nice, smooth surface along the top of the slide (except by the front sight).  The acceptance stamp on the right side of the frame is pretty light, so it may have been overlooked/ignored.  A bluing (instead of war era phosphate finish) and the gun was put into circulation.

Still odd that the Eagle on the barrel was left untouched, unless the barrel was changed between now and then...

That's my current running theory.  Opinions?

[dean1818]

On my cz there was a threading on the barrel at one time.

Yours?

[PrimarchBentley]

On my cz there was a threading on the barrel at one time.

Yours?

No threading, but there are the machining marks along the entire barrel that are almost strong enough to look like threading... 

[skucera]

I'm not expert on Nazi firearms, but that rough machining was typical of all the firearms built in the last days of the Third Reich.  The ridges around the barrel are evidence that the factory had abandoned sanding and polishing the barrels because they didn't increase the price paid by the Waffenamt ("arms office").  Those ridges are left by the lathe after it was turned down to its final outer diameter.  Waffenamt code "fnh" was used on CZ Prague pistols in 1944 and 1945 (yes, that's a another factory owned by CZ Stakonice, the company that eventually went to build motorcycles, but not CZ Brno company that built pistols and rifles, or CZ Uherzky Brod that still builds CZ UB pistols and rifles to this day).  That really rough finishing and six-digit serial number mean that it was probably built right at the end of the war, just before the US and Soviet armies occupied the country.

Scott

[dean1818]

I'm not expert on Nazi firearms, but that rough machining was typical of all the firearms built in the last days of the Third Reich.  The ridges around the barrel are evidence that the factory had abandoned sanding and polishing the barrels because they didn't increase the price paid by the Waffenamt ("arms office").  Those ridges are left by the lathe after it was turned down to its final outer diameter.  Waffenamt code "fnh" was used on CZ Prague pistols in 1944 and 1945 (yes, that's a another factory owned by CZ Stakonice, the company that eventually went to build motorcycles, but not CZ Brno company that built pistols and rifles, or CZ Uherzky Brod that still builds CZ UB pistols and rifles to this day).  That really rough finishing and six-digit serial number mean that it was probably built right at the end of the war, just before the US and Soviet armies occupied the country.

Scott

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[czechollector]

Mine look like they were ground from front site to rear and then restamped.  Also the exterior was polished like prewar/early war examples.

[nitro4blood]

I just recently got one with what looks possibly ground down before finished?  Has no serial number or markings of any kind on top.  Serial number on frame is 3290xx. Any ideas?  Thanks