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Offline DJokr

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Difference in VZ 58's
« on: October 17, 2009, 07:18:18 PM »
What are difference's in the D-Tecknik versions and the Century Arms versions? Are there quality issues? Any information would be helpful.

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Re: Difference in VZ 58's
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2009, 07:41:04 PM »
Having sold a century arms rifle to purchase my vz.58 I am sure that Czechpoint's vz.58 is better quality. Also the CAI vz.2008 does NOT have a chrome lined barrel. One more thing I have read in forums that when CAI sub contracted out the builds of their version of the vz.58 the auto feather was not removed. If the alphabet gang catches wind of this it could create problems.
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Offline dusty10

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Re: Difference in VZ 58's
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2009, 08:13:51 PM »
I would contact Dan at Czechpoint-USA. Their customer service is second to none.  8)  IMHO their VZ-58 is better quality.  I own one.  ;D
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Re: Difference in VZ 58's
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2009, 09:06:11 PM »
I own one of the D-Technik versions  ;D, I'm just curious about the difference between the various suppliers.

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Re: Difference in VZ 58's
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2009, 10:03:40 PM »
Century earned thier moniker, "The Drunken Monkeys" honestly. I had a CETME from them, worst pile I ever owned. Czechpoint's rifles are made by professionals who know what they are doing, and they stand behind thier product 100%.

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Re: Difference in VZ 58's
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2009, 10:29:44 PM »
I DO love that nickname for Century.....

"Value" is good.

"Inexpensive is good".

"Cheap" is BAD!

Century is "cheap".

Go with the gun that is built to last a lifetime AND backed by a company that will make sure it does.


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Re: Difference in VZ 58's
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 06:37:50 AM »
It all depends.

The Century AK's have always been decent.  Not great, but decent.  They are kind of the Plymouth of the AK world and in a strange and twisted way, follow the original ethos of the AK - cheap, reliable, and disposable.

Century's original L1A1's were good.  Their R1A1 FAL's built on Imbel receivers were good.  Their later FAL's built on DCI receivers were decent.  Their Hesse-receiver FAL's were CRAP.

Their CETME's are CRAP.  But their AR's are reportedly decent.  Their Golani are reportedly not all that great but their Yugo AK's are great.  Their HK 93's are reporteded pretty decent.

That leaves us with the VZ-58.  The Jury hasn't had a chance to review all evidence on that one.  Past history tells us it can be decent or crap.  It will not be top of the heap, but it may be pretty darn good.  It may be pretty darn bad.  Early reports are that the park jobs are a bit thick and they need cycling to get things mated up.

That in itself is not really so bad if it is in the forgivable realm in which the CZ-75 trigger lies - that is with working of the parts it smooths out and things go well.  It may be so with these rifles.  It may also be so, of course, that they are hopeless junk that look good on the wall.

The Century does have a few advantages:
slightly longer barrel so no SBR potential problems
bayo lug so you can aggravate leftists
it IS a VZ-58, so parts kits can be had so that repairs can be made.
US receiver AND barrel helps big time on parts count.
about $300 cheaper - and that's alot of cash


The down sides are:
Century name - that deducts some cash and places them solidly, at best, in the shooter only category
no chrome (but then, no Yugo has chrome, either, and the VZ is probably the easies semi-auto out there to clean for corrosive ammo).
inferior finish
currently unknown regarding quality
cheesy AK muzzle device - but that can be replaced.

I own a D-technik and love it.  I have ordered a Century to test it out.  The imports are 50% more expensive and that is significant money.  I'm all for loyalty - I'm a major CZ guy.  But I also know that a Tanfoglio Witness in 45 is $200-$300 cheaper than a CZ-97 while at the same time fits my hand better.  So, my 9mm's and 40's have always been CZ's.  My 45's and 10mm's have been Tanfoglio.

In this case, I might learn to hate my decision.  Or, I may end up with something like my Yugo AK - a great rifle.  Time will tell.

Davis
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Re: Difference in VZ 58's
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 07:01:50 AM »
Nice post Southern Forester.  All valid points.  For my money though, that 300 dollar roll of the dice on a Century being any good is not a gamble I can afford right now.  I will be very interested to hear of your review after owning your Century VZ-58 for a while.  Please post review when you can.   Thanks, Dusty
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Re: Difference in VZ 58's
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 09:58:48 AM »
Also quite interested. BTW, have also handled an R1 Century, it fell apart on the owner after a magful. Have seen more than 1 Century built WASR with canted front sight and gas tube. The Golani's are supposedly contracted out for build, only smart thing I have seen Century do. I have never seen any of thier AR clones. And yes, nothing made in Yugoslavia during Titos rule had a chrome lined barrel, as Yugoslavia had no chromium deposits, and he managed to irritate everyone on both sides of the Iron Curtain. I never shoot corrosive ammo through my wife's Yugo SKS for that reason.

PS, anything made with Hesse/Vulcan recievers is a pure waste of good parts. >:(

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Re: Difference in VZ 58's
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2009, 04:59:37 PM »
I actually had a Hesse that worked fine.  But, HAD is the operative word as I ended up with a DSA and Imbel later.

Davis