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Offline Ross1

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First trip with PO-7
« on: March 16, 2010, 09:32:10 AM »
Finally got to the range last night.  Got to put 150 through her with absolutely no problems that weren't my fault.  Last night was also my first try at the IDPA type shooting, that was definitely more fun than the just shooting down the lane at the targets.  Especially considering that the lane next to me had 3 "gangsters" in it "playing" with a glock 10mm and pistol grip 12 ga.   I do have a question regarding my shooting since i'm pretty sure it's not the gun.  On the silhouette I was aiming at center of the skull and hitting around the (targets) right lower jaw bone,   so about 4.5" low and left.  Is there something guaranteed that I'm doing wrong and can work to correct? One of the guys in the IDPA complemented the trigger along with the range operator. Neither of them had problems hitting where they were aiming, that's for sure how I know it's all my fault.  Anyway, I look forward to the next time I can do more active shooting.  It was very fun.

Thanks for the help with my shooting problems too.

Ross

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Re: First trip with PO-7
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 10:31:05 AM »
The range correction target might help, sounds like jerking the trigger, maybe? Here's a link, print it out on your printer and give it a shot...literally.
http://www.hsoi.com/resources/correction_chart.gif

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Re: First trip with PO-7
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 11:12:58 AM »
wow, that's an awesome idea.  Thanks, from the looks of it I need a firmer grip, and to stop jerking/slapping the trigger (which is what?). 

Thanks again

Ross

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Re: First trip with PO-7
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 11:55:59 AM »
Jerking the trigger is pulling it back rapidly. Try a steady slow squeeze, it'll become natural.

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Re: First trip with PO-7
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2010, 02:14:14 AM »
To accompany the target in the 1st response, I suggest the use of snap caps so you can practice trigger pull close-up with that target to really see what's going on.

The thing I tend to notice that causes folks to pull shots downward is they will start to squeeze with their pinky or ring finger ultimately pulling down the muzzle of the pistol.  It's subtle, but it's there.  If you're not breaking your wrists down or pushing down in recoil anticipation, the pinky finger movement can get you quite easily.

I tend to see this a lot with folks that have worked with their hands a lot throughout their life.

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Re: First trip with PO-7
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2010, 01:18:49 PM »
I've recently read a couple of articles on proper grip... basically squeeze the life out of the handle with middle two fingers and pull the trigger straight back.  I've come on another question though,  the pinky thing Dorkfish is talking about, mine usually is barely wrapped around the handle, other than practicing (dry or live) are there any "drills" or exercises for hands that can help reinforce proper gripping... that can be done while sitting at a desk or the like?

Ross

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Re: First trip with PO-7
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2010, 04:18:30 PM »
Whose desk?  :D

If you watch matches, you'll see the "pros" (and those who wanna be like them) holding their hands together as though they were holding a pistol grip, usually, left hand cupping right, with the thumbs touching and extended, pointing downrange.

One way to practice, which works best dry-firing, is to take a wooden dowel, like maybe 10" - 12"  long and that will fit somewhat loosely in the barrel, say, 1/4". If your eyes are pretty good (mine are fading a bit), just paint one end a bright color. Insert it, colored-end out, and practice squeezing the trigger on a snap-cap. If you see the end of the dowel move at all, you need more work.

BTW, a "death grip" is not really what you need. You will never eliminate muzzle snap due to firing, you just want to control it enough that it is all in the vertical plane. The problem you describe comes from either gripping more tightly with your non-trigger fingers in anticipation of the "bang!" or pulling the trigger too vigorously, or at a bad angle.

I am a disciple of Brian Enos, and find that good pressure on the sides of the grip with the heel of the hands, and firm, but not excessive pressure by the fingers works best for me. You may also want to practice with pressing the trigger with different areas of your trigger finger, the tip, the first joint, so on. That will make a big difference, too!

Good luck!
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Re: First trip with PO-7
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2010, 08:46:23 PM »
Ditto, death grip will quickly wear you out, cause trembling, and make you wish you'd taken up golf instead. Firm, but not overdone.

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Re: First trip with PO-7
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 01:45:41 PM »
Golf... it's the first range I think of when someone asks if I want to hit the range...  I used to think golf was an expensive hobby.  I've been practicing the grip (forget the name) where there is a gap between trigger hand fingers and palm, and the meat of the thumb from left hand fits in and both thumbs are pointing forward with right thumb nearly resting on the de-cocker/safety and left index wrapped around trigger guard with slight pressure straight back.  I haven't actually taken this to the range yet but from pointing at the wall and squeezing straight back.  It feels kind of like my grip hand is pushing forward and support hand is pulling back and the gun is sandwiched in the middle (hopefully being held steady the whole time).

Ross

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Re: First trip with PO-7
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 05:19:41 PM »
Look up Modified Weaver, that's what you're partially describing.

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Re: First trip with PO-7
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2010, 09:45:07 AM »
Finally got out again yesterday afternoon,  I am still pulling shots down to the left.  Although this time it is a lot less than last time.  They all still aren't going through the same hole  ??? ;D  but they are staying much closer together.  For marksmanship purposes I would like to be a hell of a lot better, but for defensive purposes I think they are at worst satisfactory (for the most part).  I still had a few "bad" shots.  I was shooting 5 shot sets.  I'll have a picture of the results when I get home from work.

Ross

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Re: First trip with PO-7
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2010, 10:14:10 AM »
Good, and do you have a shooting buddy who's been doing it a while? Have them join you, too, if you can.