CZ75B .40S&W Extractor Issue: How common?

[Lobo_79]

I'm just acquired a slightly used CZ75B in .40S&W. I occasionally have problems with the extractor leaving a spent round in the chamber.  I've been shooting WWB 180 gr FMJ range ammo. So my first real option beyond a good cleaning is to switch ammo.  I'll try that next weekend for sure. But, I'm curious.  Are extractor problems common with the CZ75?  This is my first CZ and so far I really like the way the gun handles but I need to get a handle on the reliability issues soonest.

The gun probably has a total of 400 rounds through it. Maybe a break in issue?

[eric0424]

I can't speak for the 40cal in particular, but my stainless 75B 9mm has never had an extraction problem after a few thousand rounds through it.  If you still have problems after complete cleaning you can try a Wolff extra power extractor spring. 

Depending on how many rounds have been through yours you may want to consider a full set of springs.  I like to replace the springs in a used pistol when I get them just to be certain they're in working order.  Although if you know the gun and previous owner well enough it may not be necessary.

http://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto%20Pistols/CZ/75%20Series/cID1/mID16/dID91#841

[Grendel]

Around 2002/2003 there were some guns with a problematic extractor spring. It was apparently underpowered and as soon as the gun got some gunk under the extractor they would start getting stovepipe jams. The cure was to replace the stock extractor spring with an extra power Wolff spring and a thorough cleaning in the channel under the extractor.

My own 2003 75b suffered this malady but the spring change cured it. I've had absolutely no problems since.

[kappy]

CZ75B in .40 here... no problems with extraction. Unless you count the times when ammo ejects and lands 20 feet or more away.

[Lobo_79]

I can't speak for the 40cal in particular, but my stainless 75B 9mm has never had an extraction problem after a few thousand rounds through it.  If you still have problems after complete cleaning you can try a Wolff extra power extractor spring. 

Depending on how many rounds have been through yours you may want to consider a full set of springs.  I like to replace the springs in a used pistol when I get them just to be certain they're in working order.  Although if you know the gun and previous owner well enough it may not be necessary.

http://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto%20Pistols/CZ/75%20Series/cID1/mID16/dID91#841

Thanks for the good advice.  I've given it a good cleaning and I'll check it out next weekend. I have to admit I like this gun even though I'm primarily a Beretta 92FS/92G Vertec fan.  The CZ has been an easy shooting transition. I would have preferred a 9mm versus the .40 S&W but the .40 is starting to grow on me.

I'll also try the new extractor spring.  I also usually swap out springs on gun trades because you never know what the truth is about total round count.  In this case I trust the guy I got the CZ from.  The gun is really clean and it doesn't show the telltale signs of high round count.

[eric0424]

I'm in a similar situation with a CZ52 I'm thinking of to buying.  A friend of mine owns the pistol, I've shot a few times and I know he takes care of his weapons.  I'll get a set of Wolff springs for it when I buy it, but I''l keep them packed away until it's time for a rebuild or one of them decides to break..

[Out West]

I hope it isn't common.  I just bought a used 75B in 40 S&W.  I haven't shot it yet so I don't know for sure.  I have owned several CZs and have found them to be exceptionally reliable guns.

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[Lobo_79]

I hope it isn't common.  I just bought a used 75B in 40 S&W.  I haven't shot it yet so I don't know for sure.  I have owned several CZs and have found them to be exceptionally reliable guns.

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West

I ordered the Wolff +25% extractor spring yesterday.  I'm planning on changing the spring as soon as it comes in and trying another 100 rounds. I'll post my progress with this science project.

[Jer]

If the WWB you're referring to is the 100 round Value Pak, you should know that this ammo has a documented history of undersize rim diameters in 9mm. I had three failures to extract with this 9mm ammo in a Bersa pistol, all three rounds from the same box. All three remained completely in the chamber but readily fell out when the gun was pointed upwards, indicating the extractor had ridden right over the rim without engaging it.  I've fired a 600 round mix of other ammo in this gun without a failure. I haven't heard of it in the .40, but on the basis of this experience, if you want a good diagnosis, switch ammo. The Value Pack could be giving you a false reading.

I decline to blame the gun for a failure when shooting any WW Value Pack ammo. FWIW

Jer

[Grendel]

If the WWB you're referring to is the 100 round Value Pak, you should know that this ammo has a documented history of undersize rim diameters in 9mm. I had three failures to extract with this 9mm ammo in a Bersa pistol, all three rounds from the same box. All three remained completely in the chamber but readily fell out when the gun was pointed upwards, indicating the extractor had ridden right over the rim without engaging it.  I've fired a 600 round mix of other ammo in this gun without a failure. I haven't heard of it in the .40, but on the basis of this experience, if you want a good diagnosis, switch ammo. The Value Pack could be giving you a false reading.

I decline to blame the gun for a failure when shooting any WW Value Pack ammo. FWIW

Jer

It has? Where?

I've had no 'documented failures' with WWB, other than a very occasional FTF due to a hard primer and I've shot 1000s of rounds of it through various Sigs, CZs, Bersas, Hi-Powers etc. I'd be interested to see the 'documented' stuff; are you sure it wasn't just a bad batch?

There's nothing wrong with trying different ammo, but there's little point in throwing the baby out with the bath water over 3 rounds.

[Jer]

I've participated in threads on another forum where a member had extraction problems with the WWB 9mm and when he miked the rim diameter and thickness, they were undersize. I have personally had the three failures I mentioned above, all from the same box, and have witnessed two misfires and a squib load from two different boxes on the same day that could not be blamed on the guns involved. Another member found bullets of different ogives in the same box. On the three that failed to extract in my pistol, examination of the extraction system and even comparison with a new extractor and spring showed the system to be operating correctly. The extraction failures were not the gun's fault.

I usually offend someone every time I relate these things, because the VP ammo is very popular. I buy as much WWB VP ammo as anybody else and I think it's perfectly decent range ammo. But I'm pretty well convinced for my own use that the components that don't make the grade for their premium ammo or military contract ammo wind up in the VP ammo. I think Federal does the same thing with its Champion ammo. IMHO. Based on my reading and experience I refuse to blame a failure on a gun that is shooting VP until the gun repeats the error with other ammo, or unless there is a visible mechanical failure in the gun.

So whenever a forum member quotes a failure with the WWB VP ammo I advise him to try other ammo before blaming the gun and spending a lot of money on what may be unnecessary repairs.

Sorry to offend.

Jer


 

[Grendel]

I've participated in threads on another forum where a member had extraction problems with the WWB 9mm and when he miked the rim diameter and thickness, they were undersize. I have personally had the three failures I mentioned above, all from the same box, and have witnessed two misfires and a squib load from two different boxes on the same day that could not be blamed on the guns involved. Another member found bullets of different ogives in the same box. On the three that failed to extract in my pistol, examination of the extraction system and even comparison with a new extractor and spring showed the system to be operating correctly. The extraction failures were not the gun's fault.

I usually offend someone every time I relate these things, because the VP ammo is very popular. I buy as much WWB VP ammo as anybody else and I think it's perfectly decent range ammo. But I'm pretty well convinced for my own use that the components that don't make the grade for their premium ammo or military contract ammo wind up in the VP ammo. I think Federal does the same thing with its Champion ammo. IMHO. Based on my reading and experience I refuse to blame a failure on a gun that is shooting VP until the gun repeats the error with other ammo, or unless there is a visible mechanical failure in the gun.

So whenever a forum member quotes a failure with the WWB VP ammo I advise him to try other ammo before blaming the gun and spending a lot of money on what may be unnecessary repairs.

Sorry to offend.

Jer


 

No offense taken, I was just surprised to hear that it had been a problem, since in my experience WWB is one of the more  trouble free of the cheap range ammos. I wonder if your buddy just got a bad batch though. I've never really had much in the way of problems shooting it through anything.

[Out West]

Seems to me the whole WWB 9mm undersize, or not issue is scope drift.  The OP's question was pertaining to his 75B in 40 S&W.

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[Lobo_79]

...The OP's question was pertaining to his 75B in 40 S&W...

After giving it a good cleaning I put another hundred rounds through it this weekend.  I switched to Monarch .40 S&W 180 gr FMJ ammo to try something different.  I had one case out of a hundred where it didn't extract the empty round.  That was better than the previous week where I had about 6 FTEs out of a 100 with the WWB 180 gr. FMJ.

I bought an extra power extractor spring from Wolff and I'll give that a try this coming weekend.  My gun was used when I got it but it didn't seem to have very many rounds through it.  It acts like a simple break in issue but I'll add the extra power spring anyway.

Today I installed the Wolff +25% extractor spring.  It'll be an interesting next range visit for sure.  The new spring is seriously stiffer than the original.  In fact it was a two person job to reinstall the extractor with the new spring. I used the extractor punch I got from CZ Custom as a guide to reinstall the pin.  This procedure worked well. I suspect the new extractor would now rip a chunk out of the case rim before it would fail to extract. We'll see, details to follow.

[kingof9x]

Very interesting. I have a new CZ 75B in .40 and I have had several FTE's after breaking it in with over 1000 rounds and several cleanings.