97B rattle?

[ohwoodsman]

Hi all.  I'm new here.  I've been shooting a 75B SA for years and recently purchased a new 97B for my love of the .45 ACP cartridge.  I didn't notice it at the shop but when the magazine is out, something deep in the mag well rattles pretty annoyingly.  Is this normal or reason to worry?  I did fire 100 rounds through it and function was flawless.

Also, after having shot it and thinking about it for some time, what is the point of DA/SA with this gun?  Just 2nd strike capability?  There's no decocker so there is really no safe way to put it into DA.

Chris

[bang bang]

welcome.

one of my 97s has a rattle, the other doesnt.  also, try inserting your mag and see if it rattles.  your gun is only good with one shot w/o the mag.  it could be the mag break.  if you are concerned, remove the grips and see if you can determine what is causing the rattle.  if youre not happy with that take it back to your shop or call CZ.

if you want a 1911, buy a 1911.  if you want a CZ, buy a CZ.  a CZ isnt a 1911 and visa versa.  if you want a decocker, why didnt you get the 97 BD?

btw.  safety is between the ears.  for people that have no issues with lowering the hammer on a live round, it give the operator that chooses to carry it hammer down and one in the pipe.

[ohwoodsman]

It only rattles with the mag out, I was trying to find out if this was normal. I will take it apart and take a look.

I never mentioned a 1911.  I don't want a decocker.  I was just asking an honest question. It was always drilled into me that you don't drop the hammer on a chambered round as it is not safe. I guess CZ has a different philosophy.  I guess I hit some sort of nerve?  Oh and thanks for the warm welcome. 

[Dashpot10]

My CZ 97b doesn't rattle, although a couple of magazines seem to have a little play in them.  There can be some play between the slot in the magazine and the magazine catch.  It doesn't matter as long as the rounds feed smoothly.  The best so far are 200gr round nose semi-wadcutters from Billy Bullets. 

When I shoot my 97b in competition, I am in Limited 10 class which allows "cocked and locked".  I've never had to lower the hammer over a live round.  On the other hand, I've lowered the hammer over a live round hundreds of times with my CZ 85 Combat  in Production class which requires that the first shot be double action..  It can be a bit intimidating at first, but practice it about fifty times with an empty chamber and you will have no problems.  My method is to grasp the spur of the hammer firmly, but not tightly, between the thumb and forefinger of my left hand with I gently break the sear with the trigger (then let the trigger go quickly) and slowly let the hammer down.  Occasionally the hammer might stop at the half-cock notch.  That's no big deal.  Follow the same procedure as above the get the hammer fully down.

Enjoy your 97b.  I find the gun has good intrinsic accuracy and, with my big hands. is fairly easy to shoot accurately at speed.

Chris

[the perfesser]

It can be a bit intimidating at first, but practice it about fifty times with an empty chamber and you will have no problems.  My method is to grasp the spur of the hammer firmly, but not tightly, between the thumb and forefinger of my left hand with I gently break the sear with the trigger (then let the trigger go quickly) and slowly let the hammer down.  Occasionally the hammer might stop at the half-cock notch.  That's no big deal.  Follow the same procedure as above the get the hammer fully down.

Good advice.  I don't shoot competition, but at the range I occasionally want to lower the hammer over a loaded chamber, and I do just what the above quote says.  I am sure that Chris also means to point the muzzle downrange when engaged in this operation.  But if I am putting the pistol down or storing the pistol away unloaded, I instead drop the mag and then eject the live round.  If I were at home and -- for some reason -- wanted to decock the hammer over a live round, then I would exit the house, go into my large yard, point the muzzle in a safe direction (i.e., into some backstop), and perform the operation.  ohwoodsman, you are right in noting that this operation is potentially perilous, but it is part of the manual of arms for DA/SA semi-autopistols with a manual safety.  It is a skill that has to be learned, because in an emergency one just might have to do it.  Hence the need to practice the technique under relatively safe range conditions.

[bang bang]

It only rattles with the mag out, I was trying to find out if this was normal. I will take it apart and take a look.

I never mentioned a 1911.  I don't want a decocker.  I was just asking an honest question. It was always drilled into me that you don't drop the hammer on a chambered round as it is not safe. I guess CZ has a different philosophy.  I guess I hit some sort of nerve?  Oh and thanks for the warm welcome. 

you didnt hit a nerve.  it surprises me that you bought a gun with SA/DA capabilities and after the fact wont/dont want to drop the hammer on a live round.   No.  CZ doesnt have a different Phillosohy.  Its a CZ.  they have different flavors for different likes.  Like i said, you could get the  97BD (decocker) and still have the SA/DA capabilities.   

the 1911 statement wasnt implying you wanted one, its just that if you buy a DA/SA, thats what you get.

[ohwoodsman]

It only rattles with the mag out, I was trying to find out if this was normal. I will take it apart and take a look.

I never mentioned a 1911.  I don't want a decocker.  I was just asking an honest question. It was always drilled into me that you don't drop the hammer on a chambered round as it is not safe. I guess CZ has a different philosophy.  I guess I hit some sort of nerve?  Oh and thanks for the warm welcome. 

you didnt hit a nerve.  it surprises me that you bought a gun with SA/DA capabilities and after the fact wont/dont want to drop the hammer on a live round.   No.  CZ doesnt have a different Phillosohy.  Its a CZ.  they have different flavors for different likes.  Like i said, you could get the  97BD (decocker) and still have the SA/DA capabilities.   

the 1911 statement wasnt implying you wanted one, its just that if you buy a DA/SA, thats what you get.

Dropping the hammer on a live round is new to me, that is all that I implied.  I never said I didn't want to do it, I was just trying to figure out what the use would be for.  I guess it's just another option.  I didn't buy the gun for it's trigger actions so in the end it doesn't really matter to me.  I will keep it cocked and locked unless I find some scenario where it would require DA.

[freddiewilliams]

My CZ97b also rattles w/o the magazine installed. I found it to be the mag break.

[freddiewilliams]

I would have loved to have a decocker model. However, it's not on the roster for kalifornia.