CZ 82 accuracy??

[wrig456]

I'm a new CZ 82 owner, and am not that pleased with the accuracy of the gun.  I'm trying to sort out is it me, my expectations, or the gun.  I shot the below B2 target at 15 yards from a bench rest.  With my S&W 22a and a cheap red dot scope I can group about 3 inches at 50 yards from the bench.  I'm shooting Brown Bear 95 grn ammo.  The only thing I can see with the gun is the barrel crown looks like it was done with a rough piece of rock.
I see lots of people bragging about how accurate this gun is, what I am looking for is what can I expect from the gun as far as accuracy??   Thanks for your feedback. 

[SMSgt]

If the muzzle is indeed beat up, that can certainly affect accuracy. Brn Br ammo is not the best in the world but shoots fine in my -82.

My 82 is consistant; I am not. But my groups are tighter than what your appear to be. 82s tend to shoot low, so don't use a 6:00 hold when sighting.

Your rifling is much more obvious than mine. My barrel looks like a smoothbore (literally). The local gunsmith swore it would keyhole because the rifling was "shot out." Needless to say, it doesn't. I enjoy shooting the 82 much more than my .45s.

[wrig456]

I moved the rear sight a couple clicks to the right.  Am going to the range tomorrow to see what happens,  will post the results.  This is actually my second CZ 82,  the first I got from Classic Arms and had bad problems with the trigger pull.  They refunded my $.  This one is from AIM.  I have a set of calibration springs on order from Wolff.  This gun has a rather uncomfortable recoil,  much worse then the one from Classic.  The next step I think will be to try and find a gunsmith in the Surprise AZ area that doesn't have a 6 week backloag of work that can clean up the crown on the barrel.   
The picture of the crown really shows the rotation in the barrel,  you can't see it just looking down the barrel??

[SMSgt]

I've actually bought 2 -82s (one for the son) and both looked like smoothbores. I fyou shine a light down the bore, you can barely make out a slight rotation of the surface. I haven't fired his, so I can't compare the two. They were '86 and '88 year models. If you have lands and grooves (couldn't really tell in the photo) like more common firearms, there's a chance it might have been rebarreled.

Regardless, if there's any damage inside the muzzle, the accuracy will be affected. That's one reason it's recommended to run the cleaning rods from the chamber ends as the beginning of the rifling has far less effect on accuracy.

I'd suggest using a rest of some sort at closer range (7-10 yards max) to determine if the pistol has a problem or not. The range I normally use is 15 yrds and my groups tend to be spread much more than I like, and I'd never brag about it. Bit at another indoor range where target range can be set at any distance, moving the target to 7-10 yards makes my groups much smaller, more like those 2-3 inchers everyone likes to post.

Generally, wide grouping is : A. operator error; or B. really poor firearm quality. I haven't found the quality of the surplus -82s to be an issue as far as functioning goes. Yeah, they could have designed the grips with two screws so they wouldn't work loose all the time, but...

If there's really an issue with the barrel and you can't find a 9mm Mak replacement, You can install a -83 .380 barrel and it will work fine.

Good luck with your next range session. The -82 is a sweet little pistol, and I hope you get it to hit where you aim.

[wrig456]

Well, it looks like I went about 1 click too far on my sight adjustment, will split the diff and that should be about right left to right. My sight picture was right on the 10.   I did'nt mind the recoil as much today, guess I'm getting use to it.  I took my S&W 22 along for a referance and was able to keep 10 rounds in the black at the same distance.  I did notice that the 82 has a lot of not very smooth creep in the trigger before it fires.  I found that rather distracting after feeling the nice crisp trigger on my 22.  But were probably comparing apples to oranges here. 

The barrel on my cz is a smooth bore,  in the picture of the end of the barrel it looks like there might be lands, but those are actually chips in the crown.
At this point I think my group is about 50/50, me/gun.  If I can get the trigger smoothed out a little and the crown cleaned up than I can only blame me!!

Thank you both for all  your input..Any other ideas let me know     DW

Shadow Warrior,   I had a TC  many many years ago.  Chambered for a wildcat round.  223 necked out to 7mm.
with an aimpoint red dot scope.  4 in groups at 100 yards.  Loved that gun, wish I still had it.   

[Brian Ahearn]

I have a used CZ-82 as as well as the Pa-63,the Polish P-83 wanad  and a Bulgarian Makorov. THese 9mm Makorov caliber guns tend to be harsh on recoil I did replace the spring in my 82 that helped some and it by far is easier on the hands than the pa-63 or bulgarian mak. Out of the four that I own the Pa -63 come in first inaccuracy followed by the Poilsh Wanad then the Cz-82 and last place the bulgarian mak which is in exception condition. Now the Pa -63 is also the hardest on your hands after 150 rounds I am done for the day,if I was shooting my colt 1911 combat commander I put more than 300 rounds down range before recoil starts to bother my old hands. I don't concern myself with shooting from a rest, I am happy to shoot standing 2 hands combat style and if my groups are 3 to six inches from 7 to 15 yards I am happy at 25 yards thees 9mm maks usually start to spread out more. As long as I hit the target I  know that I be able to hit an intruder/criminal whether its in my house or on the streets. Thats how I make my family train as well. I like the fact that thes pistols are reasonbly cheap and so is the ammo. I have not had any of these pistols have a stopage or failure to date. At $159.00 the Pa -63 is the best bargain I own.

[wrig456]

Another quick question for cz82 owners.   I noticed on mine that at the end of the trigger pull, just before the hammer drops,  the hammer moves back a little more.  Like the hammer is not being held back far enough in the first place??  Is this normal operation??

[skucera]

Yes, it is normal operation.  The firing pin block is being lifted, and when it reaches the top of its travel then the trigger bar moves the sear to the point that it releases the hammer.  As the sear is moved, the hammer moves further out too, then of course the hammer is released and the real physics begin....

Scott

[SMSgt]

I find the recoil of the -82 certainly less than a 9mm Luger, much less than the .380 in the lightweight LCP and like "pocket" pistols. The all-steel construction helps soak up recoil in comparision to to the lightweight polys that are so popular. Its grip is one of the most comfortable I've found yet and sending 150-200 rounds downrange is no problem. Factory loads have more "pop" to them than my reloads, which are milder than factory. Of course, it has more kick than a .22 or something small, but my past favorite was a .41 Mag and I currently shoot a .45 ACP, so I'm somewhat accustomed to heavier recoil. Without shooting the guns side-by-side, I'd rate the -82 recoil about a 3-4 at the highest on a 1-10 scale, compared to my .45 ACP, which I would call about a 6.

I don't know how much it would cost to have that muzzle re-crowned, but it may be worth it. I know it's not wise to invest a lot in an inexpensive "surplus" firearm, but the CZs are excellent pistols worth putting a little "extra" into. If it cost $40 -50  to get it done (I really have no idea of gunsmithing costs), I'd do it.

My Contender calibers were .223 and the .30 Herrett. I used 14" barrels, and while the Herrett was an awesome round, I didn't consider the recoil as stiff as my .41 Blackhawk. The length and weight of the Contender soaked it up well. The Herrett would definitely get the attention of any bystanders. Alas, the TC was stolen, with the .30 Herrett barrel. I hope the creep has good luck finding ammo--seeing as the cases have to be handmade! It was never a factory load.

[painter]

This may be an alternative to having the barrel repaired.

http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?topic=34518.0

[wrig456]

I'm making progress.   Getting the crown repaired cost me $10 and took about 2 minutes.  I moved the sight back a little and my target scores have gone from the mid 40s to the high 70s.   Next would like to get the trigger smoothed out a little and maybe get some better ammo.  I'm saving my $ to get back into reloading.  Starting to really like this handgun. 

[wrig456]

I think my flyers at this point are mostly me.  I've caught myself jerking the trigger a couple times.   The trigger pull is not a smooth as I would like,  there is a little freeplay than the pull gets harder and jerky then finally fires.  I shot a couple targets with my S&W 22a, which is quite accurate,  with a little better scores.  The 22 has a nice crisp trigger pull, and I don't get the flyers.  I guess the next step is to find someone that can smooth out the trigger, and a lot more practice on my part.  Only about 200 rounds through the CZ so far. 

[SMSgt]

Your last target looks a lot better. I think you're anticipating the recoil and that's what is causing the wide groups. It should tighten up as you adjust to the gun. Just remember: It's not going to bite you, so squeeze the trigger like you mean it.

Good deal on the barrel crowning. Now that concern is a distant memory. You may find that using a different ammo will change group size also. Some of that stuff out there isn't the most consistant.

[gandog56]

This is a target from the very first time I fired my CZ82. After the few flyers figuring out where to point the fixed sights, I settled down. Was at 25 feet.

[Mountain Walker]

Looks like you have fixed the problem. Good show!