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Offline ids

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« on: March 01, 2003, 09:53:32 PM »
Hi, here in the Phil.we have limited source of good gun cleaning products. what I'm recently using are WD-40 for the internal parts. Kleen-Bore Sol 10 for the bore and a local gun oil for lubrication. My brother in law will go to the U.S. next month, in New Jersey. I told him to buy me some cleaning solution there. What do you guys recommend?|I  I was thingking of the MPRO7 gun cleaner  8o z (for the parts and bore cleaning), MPRO7 lubricator 4oz (for lubricating) and a tube of Blue Wonder foe additional bore cleaning.

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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2003, 10:46:13 PM »
I have been using Mpro for a couple of years and I am sold on it.  No smell, no fire hazard, eazy cleaning.  The lube is expensive but a little goes a long way...

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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2003, 10:57:15 PM »
CLP Breakfree works as an "all-in-one" cleaner/lubricant/preservative for me.  i've had good results with it and you won't have to buy multiple products that might react with each other chemically.

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2003, 06:11:50 AM »
thnaks for your replies. I think I will go for both. 1 8o z of MPro7 gun cleaner, 1 4oz of MPro7 Lubricant& ! 12oz f BreakFree CLP Aireosol.  I will try BreakFree first till its empty then I will use the Mpro7. Then I will compere which is better for me.

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2003, 09:09:04 AM »
I would second both suggestions, when i clean my gun at work I use the MPro7, I especially like the bore gel. At home I use CLP to spray clean the internals and Remington Bore Cleaner for the barrel. Additionally, I dry the Disconnect/Trigger Bar contact area and apply Tetra Gun Grease to both. It clings far better than the CLP or the MPro7 lube when you're firing, ditto for the striker pin assembly. Even though I'm careful to towel off the parts before re-assembly, I'll still find some lube blowing out the rear of the slide (albeit not much) when I use the liquid lubes there. Hope this helps.


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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2003, 07:59:04 AM »
Novum Solutions Blue Wonder Gun Cleaner.  Works awesome.

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2003, 12:01:15 AM »
ids,

you know we are limited to only a few but i'm using a kerosene in my gun especially the barrel (not the polymer parts). its cheap and really works! don't use wd-40! use superlube with teflon instead.

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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2003, 05:47:22 AM »
jbest,

does kerosene good for barrel cleaning?  thats really industrious of you. where did you get the idea? So do you submerge the barrel, then wipe it off. then put some lubrication to it. what other parts do you clean with kerosne? (slide, firing pin parts, springs) and where can I purchase superlube? thanks for the info.

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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2003, 06:03:06 AM »
jbest,

As far as I know, SuperLube is used for oil mixture for engine conditioning/treatment, I'm I right? What parts of the gun do you lubricate with it? Is this SUPERLUBE a brand? If this really works, I really proud of PINOY'S ingenuity.

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2003, 08:29:43 PM »
Hoppes #9 has kerosene as a key component I believe (read the label).  Probably want to be careful using kerosene straight tho... :smokin

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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2003, 09:24:46 PM »
I use this on metal parts only.

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    Date: 01-10-98  19:26                Message #: 249           AirNSun
    From: Ed Harris                      Status: PUBLIC
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 Subject: Ed's Red Revisited             Conf: Firearms (72)
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 "Ed's Red" - - Revisited

 By C.E., "Ed" Harris

 Since I mixed my first "Ed's Red" (ER) bore cleaner five years ago,
 hundreds of users have told me that they find it as effective as
 commercial products.   This cleaner has an action similar to military
 rifle bore cleaner, such as Mil-C-372B.  It is highly effective for
 removing plastic fouling from shotgun bores, caked carbon in
 semi-automatic rifles or pistols, or leading in revolvers.  "ER" is not
 a "decoppering" solution for fast removal of heavy jacket fouling, but
 because is more effective in removal of caked carbon and primer residues
 than most other cleaners, so metal fouling is reduced when "ER" is used.

 I researched the subject rather thoroughly and determined there was no
 technical reason why an effective firearm bore cleaner couldn't be mixed
 using common hardware store ingredients.  The resulting cleaner is safe,
 effective, inexpensive, provides excellent corrosion protection and
 adequate residual lubrication.  Routine oiling after cleaning is
 unnecessary except for storage exceeding 1 year, or in harsh
 environments, such as salt air exposure.

 The formula is adapted from Hatcher's "Frankford Arsenal Cleaner No.18,"
 but substitutes equivalent modern materials.  Hatcher's recipe called
 for equal parts of acetone, turpentine, Pratts Astral Oil and sperm oil,
 and (optionally) 200 grams of anhydrous lanolin per liter into the
 cleaner.

 Some discussion of the ingredients in ER is helpful to understand the
 properties of the cleaner and how it works.  Pratts Astral Oil was
 nothing more than acid free, deodorized kerosene.  Today you would ask
 for "K1" kerosene of the type sold for use in indoor space heaters.

 An inexpensive, effective substitute for sperm oil is Dexron III
 automatic transmission fluid.  Prior to 1950 most ATF's were sperm oil
 based.  During WWII sperm oil was mostly unavailable, so highly refined,
 dewaxed hydrofinished petroleum oils were developed, which had excellent
 thermal stability. When antioxidants were added to prevent gumming these
 worked well in precision instruments.

 With the high demand for automatic transmission autos after WWII, sperm
 oil was no longer practical to produce ATFs in the needed quantities
 needed, so the wartime expedients were mass produced.  ATFs have been
 continually improved over the years.  The additives contained in Dexron
 include detergents or other surfactants which are highly suitable for
 inclusion in an all-purpose cleaner, lubricant and preservative.

 Hatcher's Frankford Arsenal No. 18 used gum spirits of turpentine, but
 turpentine is both expensive and also highly flammable, so I chose not
 to use it.  Much safer and more inexpensive are "aliphatic mineral
 spirits," which are an open-chain organic solvent, rather than the
 closed-chain, benzene ring structure, common to "aromatics," such as
 naptha or "lighter fluid."  Sometimes called "safety solvent," aliphatic
 mineral spirits are used for thinning oil based paint, as automotive
 parts cleaner and is commonly sold under the names "odorless mineral
 spirits," "Stoddard Solvent" or "Varsol".

 Acetone is included to provide an aggressive, fast-acting solvent for
 caked smokeless powder residues.  Because acetone readily evaporates and
 the fumes are harmful in high concentrations, it is recommended that it
 be left out if the cleaner will be used indoors, in soak tanks or in
 enclosed spaces lacking forced air ventilation. Containers should be
 kept tightly closed when not in use.  ER is still effective without
 acetone, but not as "fast-acting."

 "Ed's Red" does not chemically dissolve copper fouling in rifle bores,
 but it does a better job of removing carbon and primer residue than most
 othert cleaners.  Many users have told me, that frequent and exclusive
 use of "ER" reduces copper deposits, because it removes the old impacted
 powder fouling left behind by other cleaners.  This reduces the abrasion
 and adhesion of jacket metal to the bore, leaving a cleaner surface
 condition which reduces subsequent fouling.  Experience indicates that
 "ER" will actually remove metal fouling in bores if if it left to
 "soak," for a few days so the surfactants will do the job, when followed
 by a repeat cleaning.  You simply have to be patient.

 Addition of lanolin to ER is optional, because the cleaner works
 perfectly well and gives adequate corrosion protection and lubrication
 without it.  Inclusion of lanolin makes the cleaner easier on the hands,
 increases its lubricity and film strength and improves corrosion
 protection if firearms, tools or equipment will be routinely exposed to
 salt air, water spray, or corrosive urban atmospheres.

 I recommend the lanolin included if you intend to use the cleaner as a
 protectant for long term storage or for a "flush" after water cleaning
 of black powder firearms or those fired with military chlorate primers.
 This is because lanolin has a great affinity for water and readily
 emulsifies so that the bore can be wiped of residual moisture, leaving a
 protective film.  If you inspect your guns and wipe them down twice
 yearly, you can leave out the lanolin and save about $10 per gallon.

 At current retail prices you can buy all the ingredients to mix ER,
 without the lanolin for about $12 per gallon.  I urge you to mix some
 yourself.  I am confident it will work as well for you as it does for me
 and hundreds of users who got the "recipe" on the Fidonet Firearms Echo.

 CONTENTS:     Ed's Red Bore Cleaner

 1 part    Dexron ATF, GM Spec. D-20265 or later.
 1 part    Kerosene - deodorized, K1
 1 part    Aliphatic Mineral Spirits CAS #64741-49-9, or substitute
           "Stoddard Solvent", CAS #8052-41-3, or equivalent.
 1 part    Acetone, CAS #67-64-1.

 (Optional 1 lb. of Lanolin, Anhydrous, USP per gallon, or OK to
 substitute Lanolin, Modified, Topical Lubricant, from the drug store)

 MIXING INSTRUCTIONS:

 Mix outdoors, in good ventilation.  Use a clean 1 gallon metal,
 chemical-resistant, heavy gage PET or PVC plastic container.  NFPA
 approved plastic gasoline storage containers are OK.  Do NOT use HDPE,
 which is permeable, because the acetone will slowly evaporate.  Acetone
 in ER will attack HDPE over time, causing the container to collapse,
 making a heck of a mess!

 Add the ATF first.  Use the empty container to measure the other
 components, so that it is thoroughly rinsed.  If you incorporate the
 lanolin into the mixture, melt this carefully in a double boiler, taking
 precautions against fire.  Pour the melted lanolin it into a larger
 container, rinsing the lanolin container with the bore cleaner mix, and
 stirring until it is all dissolved.  I recommend diverting up to 4 ozs.
 per quart of the 50-50 ATF/kerosene mix to use as "ER-compatible" gun
 oil.  This can be done without impairing the effectiveness of the
 remaining mix.  Label and safety warnings follow:.

                           FIREARM BORE CLEANER
                                 CAUTION:
                            FLAMMABLE MIXTURE

                           HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED
                      KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN

              Contents: petroleum distillates, surfactants,
                 organometallic antioxidants and acetone

 1.   Flammable mixture, keep away from heat, sparks or flame.

 2.   FIRST AID, If swallowed DO NOT induce vomiting, call  physician
      immediately.  In case of eye contact immediately flush thoroughly
      with water and call a physician.  For skin  contact wash
      thoroughly.

 3.   Use with adequate ventilation.  Avoid breathing vapors or spray
      mist.  It is a violation of Federal law to use this  product in a
      manner inconsistent with its labelling.  Reports have associated
      repeated and prolonged occupational overexposure to solvents with
      permanent brain and nervous system damage.  If using in closed
      armory vaults lacking forced air ventilation wear respiratory
      protection meeting NIOSH TC23C or equivalent.  Keep container
      tightly closed when not in use.

                         INSTRUCTIONS FOR USE:

 1.   Open the firearm action and ensure the bore is clear.  Cleaning is
      most effective when done while the barrel is still warm from
      firing.  Saturate a cotton patch with bore cleaner, wrap or impale
      on jag and push it through the bore from breech to muzzle. The
      patch should be a snug fit.  Let the first patch fall off and do
      not pull it back into the bore.

 2.   Wet a second patch, and similarly start it into the bore from the
      breech, this time scrubbing from the throat area forward in 4-5"
      strokes and gradually advancing until the patch emerges out the
      muzzle. Waiting approximately 1 minute to let the bore cleaner soak
      will improve its action.

 3.   For pitted, heavily carbon-fouled service rifles, leaded revolvers
      or neglected bores a bronze brush wet with bore cleaner may be used
      to remove stubborn deposits.  This is unnecessary for smooth,
      target-grade barrels in routine use.

 4.   Use a final wet patch pushed straight through the bore to flush out
      loosened residue dissolved by Ed's Red.  Let the patch fall off the
      jag without pulling it back into the bore.  If you are finished
      firing, leaving the bore wet will  protect it from rust for 1 year
      under average atmospheric conditions.

 5.   If lanolin is incorporated into the mixture, it will protect the
      firearm from rust for up to two years, even in a humid environment.
      (For longer storage use Lee Liquid Alox or Cosmolene). "ER" will
      readily remove hardened Alox or Cosmolene.

 6.   Wipe spilled Ed's Red from exterior surfaces before storing the
      gun. While Ed's Red is harmless to blue and nickel finishes, the
      acetone it contains is harmful to most wood finishes.

 7.   Before firing again, push two dry patches through the bore and dry
      the chamber, using a patch wrapped around a suitably sized brush or
      jag.  First shot point of impact usually will not be disturbed by
      Ed's Red if the bore is cleaned as described.

 8.   I have determined to my satisfaction that when Ed's Red is used
      exclusively and thoroughly, that hot water cleaning is unnecessary
      after use of Pyrodex or military chlorate primers.  However, if
      bores are not wiped between shots and shots and are heavily caked
      from black powder fouling, hot water cleaning is recommended first
      to break up heavy fouling deposits.  Water cleaning should be
      followed by a flush with Ed's Red to prevent after-rusting which
      could result from residual moisture.  It is ALWAYS good practice to
      clean TWICE, TWO DAYS APART whenever using chlorate primed
      ammunition, just to make sure you get all  the corrosive residue
      out.

 This "Recipe" has been placed in the public domain, and may be freely
 distributed provided that it is done so in its entirely with all current
 revisions, instructions and safety warnings included herein, and that
 proper attribution is given to the author.

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2003, 10:49:28 PM »
ids,

yes, I just put kerosene in ice can then put the barrel and slide into it. I left the barrel and slide for few hours to a day (it depend on how many rounds you've fired) then uses old tooth brush on the slide and bore brush on the barrel. after cleaning, i put some gun oil and superlube on the moving parts.

for polymer part, use clothes with some gun oil on it.

by the way, how many rounds is your 110? have you tried magazine of 100?

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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2003, 11:26:46 PM »
jbest,

My cz110 has 13rd mags. I do not know if the cz100 mags will fit but as i can tell with its physical appearance, the mags are the same.

Is the kerosene safe for the finish of the slide?
What kind of superlube do you use?

Ian

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2003, 08:28:14 PM »
the mag of the 100 is the same as the mag of the 110. i had already bought one.......ceska'

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2003, 09:34:00 PM »
griffenboy,

What do you use to clean&lubricate your gun? (bore, slide, ionternal parts and frame). Considering that we are limited resources here in the Phil. Jbest use kerosene and superlube & gunoil to clean his CZ100.

Ian