CZ 100 versus Springfield XD VS CZ G 2000

[mons-meg]

Apologies for such a blatantly provocative subject line, but I was wanting some straight scoop from the members of the forum.  First, let me give y'all (that's Oklahoman for "you all") some background.  Next week I am going to visit my friendly local FFL dealer, where I fully intend to make a decision and purchase another pistol -- this one for CCW purposes.  I currently own a "vanilla" CZ75B in 9mm, which I bought primarily to have something decent to go to the range with that didn't cost much up front, was inexpensive to feed, etc.  Needless to say I am completely impressed with the firearm and the company, and I think my mom would be proud of the fact that if I had it in my head that I had to have a gun, at least it's Czech...her grandparents immigrated from Bohemia way back.   Also never mind that I was attached to the 2nd MEF during Desert Storm and all firearms I have come in contact with since are just too small, but anyway...mom's are funny that way.   But I digress...

So now I have it in my head that I want something with a little more punch than the 9mm, and in a more compact package.  Like many others on the boards here, I was salivating over a BD compact in .40, only to find that they are about as real as the tooth fairy.  My local FFL man told me he has the CZ100 in stock, and when I researched a bit more, I found that the specs on the 100 indicate it's actually a hair smaller than the 9mm compact.  So...I called him to check what he had in stock...he has CZ100s in 9mm and .40.  ...score...  but he also tells me he has some more Springfield XD's in .40 coming in next week as well and I might want to look at those, too.  

What I want to know is this:  What closes the deal in favor of the CZ?  Some quick observations, and *please* correct me if I'm wrong:

--They are of almost identical dimensions, both polymer.  
--The XD has a wider selection of caliber since it also comes in .357SIG, but a .40 CZ will more than likely have a .357 Bar Sto barrel available at some point.  
--The XD has a grip safety and a "glocky" trigger safety, and is SA/DA while the CZ is simply DAO.  
--The sights on the CZ are fully adjustable, but the XD has tritium available from the factory.  
--The CZ is probably more inherently accurate due to the Croation heritage of the XD.  
--They will probably not differ in price by more than $50.

Suggestions, flames, corrections all welcome.  One of these two pistols will accompany me on frequent solo road trips to Arkansas, so it needs to be able to stop crazed hillbillies hepped on on 'shine.  No offense to our non-hillbilly Arkansas readers out there.

J

[SpacedKadet]

  Hi there :-)

 I've been wondering about the same!
  I read the SA-XD's are coming out w/ trit. and full adj. sights soon, as well a five inch model. the pic is on the "what's new" section at SA's site.
 The XD's are dovetailed for all SIG-sized sights, that's kinda nifty.
 I like the fact the accessory rail on the XD can use the M3, and M6, etc. lights/lasers from insight tech. It seems the CZ-100 variants are not sold in the US :-(
 XD's also carry a lifetime warranty. Go to guns and ammo.com. (www.gunsandammomag.com) under the "feature articles" section. there's a whole piece on them from a couple of months back.
  I don't mean to detract from the CZ-100 at all :-)
 I'm really interested in this one, something about the design draws me to it... Besides it has the one handed cocking thingy, the fact it's a CZ, the Adj. sights you mentioned, and a whole list of other things I am not aware of yet...I am questioning the viability of Adj. Sights on a CCW pistol though.
  Oh yeah, on the price quotes I have gotten...
 The CZ's go for anywhere from $329.00 to $350.00 .
 The XD's go from $430.00 to $465.00 . All in American greenbacks.
  Hope that helps!

                                                   Good Shooting,

                                                            SK

[JUNGLE MAN MOD]

CZ-USA customer relations is superb. If you have a problem they do their very best to solve it. They are friendly and eager to help. I cannot speak about Springfield because I have never dealt with them.
A person can look at the lifetime warrenty 2 ways. Yes it sounds good, if something goes wrong it covered. But, would a lifetime warrenty be needed if they were sure their products were the best available?
These are just a couple of things to think about. I can't help you to buy either. It's your choice. Both are probably outstanding firearms.

[reload4me2]

  Disclaimer: I have held or fired a Springfield XD.

   Cost: while money is always a consideration, do not focus on cost for the weapon/holster that you will use for self defense/CCW  carry - your life is worth the extra bucks (your ex wife may disagree).

    Accuracy: you stated tht the CZ product would probably be more accurate. Especially for a self defense gun, hitting what you are aiming at is a VERY GOOD thing. I own a CZ100 in .40 and it is vey accurate.

     Action: you have a SA pistol that you shoot and enjoy.  It is my opinion that IF you you plan to carry one gun sometimes and the other on different occasions, they both should have the same type of action.  I find that if I shoot my SA pistols and then go to the DA I will "push" down and hit the target low with the DA; if I go the other way and shoot the DA for a while, I tend to hit the target high on the second shot on double tap drills.  

      Trigger: I personally think calling the safety in the trigger a "safe action" is a joke, but obviously a lot of folks like it - they keep making more.  If you are going down to the FFL guy to try out how the gun feels etc. I would get some snap caps before you go and dry fire the CZ100 SEVERAL  times - the second strike capability makes this easy- you need to know if you are willing to put in the time to get used to the long pull of this gun.   It has taken me months to master the trigger pull on this baby, I feel comfortable with it now (I find it easy to take up the slack until I  feel some resistence - much like a DA revolver.

     Hand fit: does the gun fit your hand?  The CZ100 is very comfortable to hold and has and excellent sight- radius axis (I think that is the right term).
 

      D. Peat
     
"Sharks with frickin laser beams on their heads, was that too much to ask?"  Dr. Evil

[reload4me2]

   OOPS!

    The first line on my post should read: I have never held or fired a Springfield XD
 
                                                                                         Plan ahea
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[Unregistered(d)]

Haven't been able to find a CZ100, but I have handled and dry fired the Springfield Armory XD earlier this week. It appears to be a great little pistol. From what others have posted here, the trigger is much superior to the CZ. The XD has a shorter pull length, very smooth, and the weight of pull is 4.5-5.5 lbs.

Actually, I found this forum (and the HS2000 forum) because I'm trying to make the same decision. Glocks are just too d*mn much, and these two pistols appear to be the best alternatives.

[mons-meg]

Great food for thought, guys.   I really do appreciate it.

reload4me2:  On accuracy, while I am of the school of thought that any potential shooting situation I can dream of is going to be at 15m or less, hitting an opponent should not be an issue.  However, I did have a concern about the XD.  I read a review of the HS2000 in which the authors loved the gun except for one gripe:  it threw occasional "flyers" well outside expected shot groupings.  The author's weren't sure if it was a weak guide rod or some such.  Anyway, I have not heard the same about the Springfield edition, so I don't know if Springfield may have corrected any possible flaws.  Can anyone speak to this?  I may go check out the HS2000 forum...

I will have to think hard about the SA versus DA issue.  I'll keep everyone updated as I agonize over my choices next Saturday.  Kind of a nice problem to have, though, this dealer only seems to carry stuff I would actually buy.

[holdson4]

have fired an hs2000 while shopping for carry gun. was very impressed for the 270.00 price tag(new). tried out cz100's,kahrs,glocks, etc. hands down the ergo's on the 100 fit me the best. i am very happy with it. what ever fits you the best and you are most comfortable with is what you should buy. all of these are relialble combat accurate pistols.

[leatherneck]

I had previously given some thought to purchasing a CZ100.  However, after messing around with an XD9 I have shelved those former thoughts.  The XD is quite impressive (not to say the CZ100 isn't).  There is some good information at the hs2000talk.com web site.  I'd suggest you check it out.  Also, from what I understand, Springfield has fixed the occasional "flyer" problem.  

My only difficult decision now is which will be my next weapon purchase ... a CZ75B Compact for my wife or the XD for me?  :-)

Shawn

[ut83]

Ive played with both and personally both are really tempting.
The CZ100 is smaller and thinner, making it a better carry.
The XD is an awesome gun...I like the safety systems alot.
I would get the CZ as it costs less, is smaller and is just as good of a weapon......IMO.  Shoot well

[mons-meg]

I just went to the gun store today, and ended up buying the Steyr M40.  It has even more safety features than I can use, and for $400 plus tax, I think I got a good buy.  I like the idea that I can carry it cocked and locked, but with the manual safety inside the trigger guard where it can't brush up against anything as long as it's in a rigid holster.  I hear Bladetech makes a Kydex holster for the Steyr...

When my birthday rolls around and I get budget clearance for another pistol, it will more than likely be a CZ 97B.  Then I will have a great 9mm (CZ75B), a great .40 CCW (the Steyr) and a great .45 (the 97B) for answering the door at 3am.

[Unregistered(d)]

I have an xd9. So far, no failures of any kind in about 2000 rds. Easy to shoot. Low recoil. Good for my small hands. Like the loaded chamber ind. Easy to field strip and clean. Mags are much easier to insert than some. Got to give it a good report.
CZ may be Just as good, but I have not had the chance to try one.

[Glockguy-23]

I would highly recommend that a ported gun be avoided for carry use...  Shooting from retention can cause you physical discomfort, or, even blindness, as the hot gasses exit the ports, carrying powder residue with it...  Any .40, worth it's salt will shoot well enough, where ported or compensated barrels are not necessary.  If you have trouble with the un ported .40's recoil, get a 9mm...

Now, take 2 asprins, and call me in the morning...

[nutzo1]

If the cz100 is such a bad weapon for ccw one wonders why the czech police carry it? Just wondering......outloud.

[BrokenArrows]

I thought the PCR used the compact CZ75, not the CZ100?

A rental range here has a much used CZ100 in 40 that has been perfect so far; actually doing better than the Glock and sig pro 40s they also rent.

I had HS2000s and SA-XDs. The small groups are small, the big groups are BIG for both. Too many HS2000s suffered from FTE (failures to extract). The "new" XD was supposed to be better, but both my XD9s made in 12/01 still did it!?

Technically, and according to BATF and State Department import documents, the XD is a single action (SA) pistol. This will disqualify it from many LE contracts (has already) that specify DA/SA and/or DAO.