Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial

[armoredman]

The ONE thing that made this entire thing blow completely out of proportion, the one mental trick that everyone involved had to perform to march, scream and incite to riot, one common belief -
the complete incompetence of the responding police department from top to bottom. If the marchers and screamer, as well as the reporters and pulpit pounders had stopped to think...ya know, maybe there was a REASON the PD let him go. Maybe we should see what that reason was... But that might interfere with ramping up donations, er, "indignation" by the professional rabble rousers, the fringe lunatic groups and the national figureheads. Since we've been conditioned to always believe it's Barney Fife responding to every call, we expect nothing but utter failure. I don't know about you, but when/if I call my county mounties, I expect and get highly professional behavior and work ethics.
Sorry, it's just that the elephant in the room stepped on my toes.

[Tmeaves]

...ya know, maybe there was a REASON the PD let him go.

Amen to that.

Three cops in the video, and a(n unseen) lawyer, minimum. Four hours or so of interrogation. And they let him go, and have not moved YET to arrest him, even given all the uproar.

[burley]

  You put a hood on a white person and black people loose their minds, but put a hood on a black person?  Why, it's just a hood.  And they should be able to walk through white neighborhoods with their faces hooded!  Hey, if you don't want me and people like me, (white), in your neighborhoods with my face hooded, don't come into my neighborhoor with your face hooded.  As we all know, it's disrespectful and asking for trouble.

[Spirit 1]

Fact, Mr. A!

However I believe it was an extremely bad decision for the Chief of Police to step down. He was a veteran officer with a very long and apparently spotless career and up to then, was fully qualified for the job. He had made a tough decision under pressure and from his level of experience, plus the advisors around him, it stands to reason that it was a very valid decision: they were all consumate pros!

However tremendous political pressure was brought to bear. There he should have stood tall like Sheriff Joe or that other great AZ Sheriff and told them to roll it up in a little ball and jam it home deep. He didn't, for whatever reason. Also Chief of Police wields nowhere near the power of office that a Sheriff does.

All hell broke loose because it then cast a bad light on what was likely a good decision: as if to say he had somehow been mistaken when he was not! From there it went down hill at lightning speed, with media and countless self-serving pigs pushing it for all they are worth, which is nothing at all if not less. Because they are worthless in and of themselves they are driven to steal glory and power and influence at any cost, including other's lives. There comes a Day of Reckoning when all accounts will be settled, permanently...

[Spirit 1]

  You put a hood on a white person and black people loose their minds, but put a hood on a black person?  Why, it's just a hood.  And they should be able to walk through white neighborhoods with their faces hooded!  Hey, if you don't want me and people like me, (white), in your neighborhoods with my face hooded, don't come into my neighborhoor with your face hooded.  As we all know, it's disrespectful and asking for trouble.

Interesting, Burley, because that exact thought crossed my mind today regarding folks wearing hoods! When one group wears them to make their statement of belief regarding race it is a grave crime of wicked racism. But if another group chooses to wear hoods as a personal statment regarding race it's all well and good. Somethin' ain't right there, that's for sure.

For a fact I believe both those groups of hoods are wrong and like you say, just asking for trouble!

[Spirit 1]

To my narrow viewpoint it's about the same as the baggy pants pulled down to show the underwear and as much butt hanging out as possible. Add in the strange stiff legged, shuffling walk like an infant with a loaded diaper, plus a few other gangster identity statements. It is solely intended to be offensive to others who aren't a 'member' of the group! That's why the butts are hanging out, to say to everyone else, 'Well you all can kiss my...."

[armoredman]

Let's make sure we keep this thread and board away from that particular taint...I agree that there is a HUGE double standard, has been my whole life, but the particulars here are what bears on this non-case in Florida, where a man who possibly has done nothing wrong is in hiding fearing for his life, and another, who may or may not have attacked him, is dead, and being made out to be a riot inducing martyr. I kinda wish they would bring this into a court so we can see the rightful end...and will Jackson, Farrakhan and Sharpton apologize if he is innocent? Will Spike Lee apologize and pay him off like the nice elderly couple whose lives he ruined? Will Rosanne Barr apologize for tweeting his parents address, maybe pay to move them so her actions won't cause them to be harassed forever? Of course not, they'll turn up the rhetoric, the poison and the vitriol, spewing steaming words of hatred to get more donations and followers - admitting wrong would be suicide to these public figures, no matter how wrong they MAY be.

[Twmaster]

Considering the track record of a few of these muckrakers I'm shocked anybody follows them.

Well, I take that back. I am not shocked. And I am sick of the double standard that exists. The truth is I am not inclined to speak my mind in a public forum as I do not wish to incur the wrath of a certain demographic.

I'm sickened by this whole disaster.

[armoredman]

The Florida Attorney General is conducting an investigation, we'll see what comes of that.

[Spirit 1]

Think I should edit or delete my last posts? No problem as I have no intention of further stirring the pot! Lemme know or else if you like just ace them out with the CZ Forum's Magic Wand there and I'll follow up with a post where I plead insanity.

You know, something hugely peculiar in the 'What's wrong with this picture?' category: to my way of thinking 'Black' is NOT A RACE at all! There are several genetic racial families who may be black, but no one single racial family!  Just like 'White', what the heck is that? It isn't a RACE, it's a skin pigmentation, nothing else.

According to my favorite Book we ALL had the same original daddy and mommy. Even the most hardcore evolutionists, like the Dr's Leaky, found that it was irrefutable, without doubt, no question whatsoever:

There ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE BEEN AN ORIGINAL MAN AND WOMAN WHO STARTED HUMANITY!

Whether one uses pure Science, pure Mathematics, pure Logic, Holy Scriptures, other Holy Books or simple basic common sense: WE ABSOLUTELY MUST ALL BE RELATED, BY BLOOD!

Rant: From a Christian perspective, no offense to personal beliefs of anyone here is intended: Beyond interesting the major FAIL of a few people so audacious as to publicly stand up and loudly call themselves 'Reverend' and 'Preacher' who are entirely incapable of the most basic understanding of Genesis 3, or any part of Genesis, or of 'God's perfect plan' as revealed in Scripture, or of any geneaology in the Bible, or of what the Scripture describes as 'Races'! No man or woman who cannot comprehend the most rudimentary and foundational premise of the Bible, as in the 'Creation story' of Adam and Eve being the PARENTS OF ALL MANKIND, should dare to be so bold as to call themselves a Reverend Preacher of the Word of God!

Every Science proves it's physically impossible for mankind to have descended from any other than one original man and one original woman!

We are ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS, like it or not. I happen to like it! 

[armoredman]

Not at all Spirit, and the last post is spot on. 

[motosapiens]

Everything I've read suggests we are all descended from 1 woman, and also all descended from one man, but they did not live at the same time. Just in case anyone is interested in science ya know.

Here is some fairly well cited info, with plenty of references to good old peer-reviewed journals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

[armoredman]

OK,that line is closed.
Back to the Trayvon case only.

[Spirit 1]

OK,that line is closed.
Back to the Trayvon case only.

Thanks, you may have just prevented more chaos and senseless tragedy...

[armoredman]

There are forums with religion sections - t'ain't one of them.