Compact 13rnd tubes available at CZ-USA

[PCRit]

If you want to convert a standard 10rnd mag to a hi-cap, here's the info from Mike at CZ-USA.  The compact 13 rd tubes are $27.44, and will only require the steel compact mag base at $4.91, to convert the ten rounders.

To order with a visa/mastercard, call Mike at 1-800-955-4486.

Shoot well.

Dave

[PCRit]

Just thought about the 10 rnd rule about not converting existing mags to higher capacity. So can someone tell me if this applies to mags NOT made in USA?

Dave

[PCRit]

I guess I miss-spoke, all you are doing is adding a spring to an EXISTING 13rnd mag body.
I assume this would be OK

Dave

[jhooten]

As I understand it, it you take a mag body that was not a completed mag before the cut off date and add a follower, srping, and base you have just manufactured a new post ban ILLEGAL magazine.  It does not matter that the spring and other parts came out of another mag or a bag.  According to the agent I asked the question of the only exception is if the factory replaces a damaged body on an existing preban mag.  He repeated the part about the factory twice.

This was a phone conversation and I did not ask for a written confirmation, so take it for what it is worth, one ATF agents opinion of wht the law says.

[PCRit]

Still not sure about this.  In this case it is an existing 13rnd mag tube, not a remanufactured 10rnd. The PCR is sold with 13rnd mags in Europe, so I'm pretty sure that CZ-USA, is selling the 13 rnd tubes, and you supply the spring/follower, but I could be wrong?. It's OK to import hi-caps from other countries, as far as I understand it, but then I'm not a lawyer! It's just illegal for US manufacturers to make new hi-caps or to retrofit 10rnd mags to hi-caps.

Is there a lawyer out there who really knows the answer to this???

Inquiring minds want to know

[Trebor1415]

I'm not a lawyer, but yes, I do know the answer to this.

It is illegal to manufacture new high capacity (over 10 round) magazines. Period. End of sentence (or begining of a possible prison sentence if you do...) This applies to both manufacturers and individuals. The exception is mags manufactured for military or law enforcement use, or those intended for export to other countries where they are legal. Those mags are almost always marked.

It doesn't matter if you create your new high capacity mag by "converting" an existing low capacity mag through parts subsitution or by assembling all the individual components into a new mag. Any way you look it at, it's "manufacturing" and it's illegal. Even if all the individual parts existed before the ban in 1994, they had to have been assembled into a mag before that date to be legal.

It is also illegal to "create" a new hi capacity mag from a low capacity mag by substituting different ammo than the mag was designed to use. That means that it is illegal to load 12 or 13 rounds of 9mm ammo into a 10 round .40 mag. (Now if the .40 mag was preban AND originally held over 10 rounds of .40 ammo, it would be ok. With either ammo it's still a preban high capacity mag) I know some here disagree with me on this, but the only way I can "prove" this is by getting a letter addressing this specific issue from the ATF, and I'm not about to poke my hand into that hornet's nest.

The only high capacity mags that can be imported are those that were manufactured before the ban in 1994.That means that for some weapons, there are NO civilian legal high capacity mags existing. (Certain HK pistols designed in Europe come to mind because even though they were designed for high caps and are sold that way in Europe, no magazines were actually produced before 1994)

Replacement parts, like mag bodies, can be manufactured and imported. They are intended to be used only to repair damaged or otherwise unservicable pre ban high capacity magazines on a one-for-one basis. (I hadn't heard the bit about only the factory being allowed to do those repairs so I don't know if that is true or not)

Are people illegally assembly high capacity post ban mags from replacement parts? I'm sure some are. Even if some people seem to be getting away with it, it's never a good idea to break the law or instruct or aid others in breaking the law.

Trebor

[PCRit]

Thanks for the opinion Trebor.  I was just passing along what I was told by CZ-USA. I guess what we have here is a difference in "legal" opinion.  Guess it's best to let that sleeping dog lay.

[Bradster]

Just got an email from Robert Johnson (sells various pre-ban mags,spoke very highly of on various gun boards-have not personally done business with him) he now has in stock 9mm 13rd mags for the Compact-factory CZ,new condition with some handling marks for 45.00...also has CZ factory 9mm 25rd mags for 70.00--if you email me at bmg56@webtv.net i'll forward this recent email to you.

[ut83]

As I understand it...the manufacturing of hi caps by anyone is federal bad karms.  Here is another take on it and a different point of view.  Buying Hi Caps that are made isnt illegal..period.  Unless, DUH, your in a California like state.
Owning them and carrying them is fine also....they dont need to have a stamp on them stating they were made before the ban or any of that hoopla either.  But your gun had better be a preban model gun or your in deep bad karma also...
You can carry hi caps only if your gun was made for them.
A Compact will fly..I believe they were imported with hi caps in the past....now a PCR is a different story.  
The tubes CZUSA have are for "repairing" hi cap mags that are damaged....I have a couple that are in need of repair as we speak.  Thats it........
Shoot well
P.S If you alter a 10 round mag to accept more ammo....double bad karma.  You can however modify mags that are hi caps already to fit another hi cap model gun.....
example witness to cz mags...etc.