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A possible useful addition to home defense
« on: September 26, 2012, 08:12:23 PM »
Something many people don't consider is when you get yanked out of bed by the alarm shrilling, the dogs barking, the lovely sound of breaking glass as the bad guys struggle to break through the bars, you have a few choices...walk downstairs in your slippers with your pistol in one hand, cell phone in the other, wondering what is going on. I rather don't like that idea. First, my jammies are relatively bullet permeable, and I have no reason to go any farther than my son's bedroom to get him back to the safe room. I also like to use whatever advantages I can get and I scored a new recently, something that is very easy and fast to use. What I have is a new get up from a local shop called AR500 Armor.com, a steel plate armor manufacturer. http://www.ar500armor.com/index.php





Before I get into detail, think about the irony here - the Romans started the manufacture of back and breast curiass style armor over 2000 years ago, which use ended with the Spanish Conquistadors...and has made its return, 400 years later. Just goes to show a good idea never dies completely. ;)


The setup I got is this one, http://www.ar500armor.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29906, a complete setup with plates, carrier and pouches. I will have to say, I have never used MOLLE before, and had no idea how to thread these darn things on, but I got thw two mag pouches to get on. I have a coyote brown AK mag pouch I wanted to use with the SA vz-58 7.72x39mm version,(anyone know how to thread those weird plastic dealies that come with Blackhawk gear?), but the included AR-15 mag pouch just happens to work well with the SA vz-58 5.56mm version.   8) The pistol mag was easier to put on, and I will likely set it up with one pistol mag and a flashlight in the other side. I'd like to get a single mag pouch for rifle, and a cell phone holder - if I have to change magazines more than once, I stayed there too long. :shock:



I did get a few quick pictures today, nothing dramatic,




Ok, ONE dramatic picture.   ;)

This is a good view of how I have this one setup, but I think I will adjust it to sit lower on the chest. This has the twin pistol mag pouch with two CZ 75 SP-01 magazines, and twin AR-15 mag pouch with two Brownells aluminum 30 round mags loaded with 45 grain Varmint HP ammo.




You can also see the Shooters Cut on the armor does allow better positioning of the rifle - the butt doesn't sit on a corner of a plate, pounding you with every shot.

http://www.ar500armor.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29778

This stuff is NOT light, each panel weighs 7.5 pounds, so figure on 18 pounds with loaded gear to throw on at a moments notice. The twin fast plastic buckles on the sides means you can leave on locked and one open to slide through, click it shut, and you have phone, reloads and flashlight, right there. Grab your rifle/subgun/shotgun/pistol and go. Not something I'd want to wear running around in the woods, not an my age and gut size, but for a HOLY RUSTED METAL, BATMAN, moment, yeah, it'll do. :)

It isn't something most people would think of, I admit, but it has two advantages that many people won't realize - it's FAR cheaper than comparable soft body armor. Soft armor is concealable, and the very good stuff tends to crowd the $1000 mark here in the US. This complete setup is just over $200. This particular carrier is NOT meant for all day use, but for occasional use - they do have a very nice carrier that would work for regular duty use. http://www.ar500armor.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29934
I might invest in a better carrier later...when I've lost some weight and don't look like a jellyroll squirting out the sides.  ;D :P

In any case, I thought I'd throw that out there. Obviously, this has to be part of a layered defense strategy - if all you are relying on is the sound of breaking glass giving you plenty of warning, I fear you may be mistaken. :what:  :(  But when you can build that layer of time between the outside and your tender pink rear end, this item could be a life saving asset.

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Re: A possible useful addition to home defense
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2012, 07:04:33 PM »
It is absolutely stunning how many negative comments I have received on two other unnamed internet boards over this stuff, telling me I am a wanna be Rambo or a helplessly stupid child among men, and each one also has moderators jumping on the kick-me bandwagon. Fascinating. Wonder why that is - carrying multiple firearms and spare ammo is seen as a good thing, (and it should), but taking 5 seconds to don armor is seen as being extreme. Wild.

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Re: A possible useful addition to home defense
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2012, 01:52:14 AM »
Ignore the Critics!  ::)  Your Pics are great!  :) 8)
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Re: A possible useful addition to home defense
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2012, 05:48:54 AM »
I'll be honest, having body armor hor HD doesn't seem extreme to me. It seems logical to worry about incoming fire and not simply assume there won't be any.

I think some of the heat may have been more because of the text in the B&W picture, I can see how some may see that as a bit "Ramboish". No offense intended.

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Re: A possible useful addition to home defense
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2012, 09:21:12 AM »
I'll be honest, having body armor hor HD doesn't seem extreme to me. It seems logical to worry about incoming fire and not simply assume there won't be any.

I think some of the heat may have been more because of the text in the B&W picture, I can see how some may see that as a bit "Ramboish". No offense intended.

The biggest criticism on at least one of the other forums was the lack of splatter protection from this armor.  When the lead hits that steel plate, it won't go through your chest, but it will splatter and spray your arms/legs/face with lead particles.  A lot of the suggestions (rightfully so I think) suggested the incorporation of Kevlar or another material into the vest to catch splatter.  Of course, that adds cost though, which may or may not be a deal breaker.  In any event, it's good to be thinking about this stuff if nothing else - never hurts to be prepared. :)

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Re: A possible useful addition to home defense
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2012, 03:05:57 PM »
I've seen bullets splatter off steel. I think the carrier would absorb some of it, but a few layers of Kevlar as a spall liner wouldn't be a bad idea, and might be a doable aftermarket idea for some one with access to old vests.. Of course, dealing with splatter would be better than dealing with a sucking chest wound. :)

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Re: A possible useful addition to home defense
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2012, 11:07:04 AM »
Linex or Rhino liner helps contain the spall too, but the extent to witch the spall is going to shred ones extremities is a bit over stated by the internet (it's the interweb so what can you expect). More so, because people have "tested" a steel plate without a good carrier covering it (just hanging there) and use that as an example of what the spall is going to do. In reality the plate is buried under several layers of cordura. However, in order to keep the carrier from shredding and the plate falling out and good spall plan can't hurt. I think there is something in the works to provide users a solution to that issue without adding a lot extra thickness to the plate.
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Re: A possible useful addition to home defense
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2012, 11:47:08 AM »
Outstanding! It might be good enough to get some of the out of date vests from BulletProofMe and cut loose some Kevlar panels - is that stuff hard to sew? I couldn't see a need for more than maybe 3-5 layers, max.
I agree the heavy carrier will absorb quite a bit of damage, the one I have if VERY tough looking!
Could you elaborate on what the Rhino or Linex stuff is and how it's applied?

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Re: A possible useful addition to home defense
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2012, 03:32:59 PM »
It's just truck bed liner, and we've found that many people are rolling it on anywhere from 1/4 thick to 1/2 thick.

Kevlar is not easy to sew, so we've seen glue and duct tape to hold it all together. I personally like the Truck Bed liner idea, simple easy and cost effective.
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Re: A possible useful addition to home defense
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2012, 04:45:55 PM »
That's a neat idea, might look for some like that. I have had some very positive comments on this setup on several different boards now. :)
Perhaps a short essay on the bed liner and how it should be used would be nifty, maybe a video? I will have to check out what local stores might carry the product.

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Re: A possible useful addition to home defense
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2012, 04:52:16 PM »
You don't need to sew the Kevlar in. Just glue or duct tape it to the plate then insert the plate into the carrier. A couple of layers should be plenty.
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Re: A possible useful addition to home defense
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2012, 01:18:29 AM »
I pulled one pistol mag and "loaded" the pouch with a small flashlight. One spare pistol mag of 18 should be enough, or life has really taken a turn for the worst.