Just picked up a very early 75B...

[farmerRick]

It is marked with a production date of 1993.   

In the intro tacked at the top of this forum, it says they were introduced in 1995...   


It is very nicely blued, not poly-cated and has markings unlike any other I have seen before(no usual CZ symbol either), and with no import marks anywhere to be found.  It has the squared-off trigger guard(not rounded like a pre-B) and has standard dot sights. It included one parkerized magazine. Unfortunately, it came with no box or papers. It is in like-new condition.

The minor dilema I have now... some mecgar mags that I have(quite a few of...  ) for my other CZ's fit and some don't. The ones that don't are very tight for the last inch or so of insertion into the magwell. They have to be literally forced in, and are very difficult to remove if inserted all the way.  It seems they are a bit too "thick" from front to back to fit properly in this pistol.

What I'm wondering is if this is some sort of transitional or hybrid 75 that is part "B" and part "pre-B".  I've never had a pre-B gun, so I don't know what the difference is between them that makes a B magazine NOT work in a pre-B gun.  Comprende? 

I will try to post pics sometime in the next couple days. Nothing I find in a google image search is even close to the sparse markings on this pistol.

[czsuby]

Sounds very interesting.  I'm looking forward to the pics.

[Hognutz]

Let's see that bug-a-roo.. She sure sounds interesting. I can't wait to hear from someone that knows what the deal is..Stay tuned..

[Stuart]

sounds cool.


couple of quick questions..firing pin block? ( this is what the B indicates )  round hole in slide in the rear serrations with a roll pin in there.

on Pre B guns, rear of the magwell at the bottom of the frame and the top of the frame is thicker than on the "B" model guns.

transitional features..trigger guard ( round vs squared) , front sight (  staked vs pinned ) , thumb safety detent, thumb safety and slide stop shape.

[martian9r]

Is it anything like this:
http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/27476-cz-75-pre-b-transitional

[martian9r]

Or this:
http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com/topic/16426/Reference-Photograph-CZ-75-CZ-75-Transitional-and-CZ-75B

[farmerRick]

Not like either of those...

Not the best pics in the world









It came with some crappy Pachemyer grips on it, so I found the old plastic ones from my 75BD Police and threw them on there.
All of the stampings and numbers/marks on the gun are shown in the above pics.
The bluing is rather nice and although I'm sure it has seen a few rounds, it appears to have been shot very little... so far.   

[bang bang]

are you sure the date isnt 9"8"?

the slide says "B" and everything on it says "b" to me.  the only exception is the frame where it has "Czech made".  i dont remember seeing anything like that or partially that format.   And the frame is "b" too.

it appears you have a frankenstien CZ???.  the slide has N48xx and the frame has N43xx   the s/n on the bbl looks like N43xx.

to me, the lettering on the left side looks/appears shallow.  i would say/guess (just looking @ the pics tho) that its been refinished.  maybe the lower more so or had more material removed to the point where the "czech made" was stamped into the frame. 

should be interesting to see what others chime in with.

fwiw, i would take it for a test drive and see how it prints.   if its shoots great, then i would keep it even if it is a put togeather gun.

[1SOW]

Something I read "on the internet" said the the first 75Bs manufactured were in '94.  CZ USA became the official CZ importer later, '97 I think. I don't know when they started stamping "CZ USA on the slide, and they also stamped the year mark.
So, somewhere in that time-frame '94-98(?) is likely.

Yours, Looks like it's never seen a holster and sure looks little used.  Nice pistol.

[farmerRick]

are you sure the date isnt 9"8"?

the slide says "B" and everything on it says "b" to me.  the only exception is the frame where it has "Czech made".  i dont remember seeing anything like that or partially that format.   And the frame is "b" too.

it appears you have a frankenstien CZ???.  the slide has N48xx and the frame has N43xx   the s/n on the bbl looks like N43xx.

to me, the lettering on the left side looks/appears shallow.  i would say/guess (just looking @ the pics tho) that its been refinished.  maybe the lower more so or had more material removed to the point where the "czech made" was stamped into the frame. 

should be interesting to see what others chime in with.

fwiw, i would take it for a test drive and see how it prints.   if its shoots great, then i would keep it even if it is a put togeather gun.

The serial numbers all match. It hasn't been refinished. It is stamped 93 in the usual spot near the ejection port.

From here: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=14699.0

"Transitional" models require some explanation as well. In a strict chronological order, these preceded the Type B, but I thought it would be clearer to discuss this last. Essentially, these are handguns produced with a Type A slide on what appears to be a Type B frame. A "transitional" does not have a Type B frame in the strictest sense, since it lacks the firing pin block lever (part no. 14 in current CZ manuals). In other words, these models have a square trigger guard and rounded hammer like a Type B, but they have the slide and external controls of a Type A. Some CZF members have also found versions with the modernized external controls associated with the Type B. (Official CZ-UB photos of the CZ 75B prototype actually depict a true Type B with the spur hammer in place of the rounded style, so I am now officially confused.) "Transitional" models were produced in 1993 and 1994. There are also transitional CZ 85s, but identification gets very complicated, as the 85 Lux and 85 Combat models were the basis of the Type B pistols. Transitional pistols are comparatively rare (due to the short time they were produced), but Magnum Research and Action Arms imported these models in some quantity, so they are not particularly rare in the U.S.

It is definitely a B model, but I'm beginning to think this may be a "made for Europe" production pistol that was brought over to the USA sometime in the last 19 years.

[1SOW]

I looked for the stamped date in the pics, and didn't see it.  I read that a number of pistols came into the US through Canada by three different  import companies other than CZ-USA. during the transitional period before CZ-USA got going.

[Bill-in-Texas]

I just came across this old thread... farmerRick's example is now the #2 lowest SN, after mine (seen below).

Thanks Psyop96 for updating the database; it's helpful!

Regards

[timmy75]

anyone seen this before?
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=109730.msg851998#msg851998

[Bill-in-Texas]

anyone seen this before?...

timmy75,

I'd like to see the other side of that particular model. I don't doubt for second that the pictures are legit. However, I'm very curious to see what the serial number(s) reveal, as well as the date stamp.
Do the numbers match, as one would expect they do?
Did that particular fpb model preceed the "B"-marked model?
Is it stamped 92? Or, 93?
Is it import marked?

The possibilities of features and markings are many, as this likely falls at the end of the Cold War era and the new government saw the expanding market to the free world.

Thanks for posting!
-Bill

[timmy75]

unfortunately pistol is not mine. numbers match. date stamp is 92. it is in europe, so no import marks