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Offline ZTATactical

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2013, 09:41:13 PM »
CZKALI you are correct....   If they were so worried about children they would ban abortion.  I am not full blown anti abortion...when it comes to rape or the mothers saftey it becomes a little sticky.  I use more for the point of argument.  When you bring up banning abortion one of the first things that they come back with is that it will only force women to the back alley doctors and that it will not stop it.  Well if that is the case the same goes with banning sporting rifles and high cap mags, it will only drive them to the black market and the criminal will not follow the law so only the law abiding will be the ones to follow the law putting them in more danger.

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2013, 02:34:04 AM »
I don't really see the parallel.  "The mere fact that I have nothing to hide gives nobody the right to look."  You seem to be making a privacy argument, but if you fail to pass a background check, it will be because of something that is public record.  There's nothing private about information that is public record. 

For that matter, I personally would prefer to do private sales via a FFL, and have done so in the past.  For one, I don't plan to keep the paperwork for the required number of years, as I have enough crap in my house.  For another, it almost certainly alleviates the seller of any responsibility in the transaction.  You simply deliver the gun to the FFL and your responsibility in the transaction (as far as background checks/knowledge of who is a prohibited possessor/etc.) is done.  It's then up to the buyer to jump through the requiresite hoops (background check, class 3 license, etc.) to collect his purchase, and for the FFL to manage the paperwork. 

There are certainly poor ways it could be implemented and I'm not saying there aren't.  That said, I don't really see any reason why a background check is required for a transaction from a license holder and it's not required from a non-license holder, and there are simple ways to make this area of the law more consistent.

Boz.....

You know me.  I'm not an "EBR" guy.  I'm not a pistol guy.  My rifles are bolt or lever action.  I won't speak to handguns, but "IF" I had one (which I can't because I don't have a CCW) it would be a single action revolver in .357 to go with my lever guns.  As for shotguns, I prefer them SxS.

So as you can see my guns are not much threatened by the current crop of gun control proposals.

But that is NOT the point.  If those of us that aren't much interested in the "bad guns" don't stand shoulder to shoulder with the "EBR" and semi-auto guys now then they will lose their rights and OUR heads will be next on the chopping block.

You see Boz, the guys that are blabbering about "common sense gun control" are taking the incremental approach.  Today, "common sense gun control" is semi-auto rifles and shotguns with "evil features" as well as semi-auto pistols with magazines that hold more than 7 rounds.

In 5 years "common sense gun control" will be lever action rifles that hold more than 5 rounds.

In a few more years it will be "who needs more than 2 shots to kill a deer?"

And then of course "Who needs more than 1 shot to kill a deer?"

You see Boz, the people that are howling about "common sense gun control"  HATE ALL GUNS!

They are going after the semi-auto guys now, but they will be coming for you and me if we don't stop them now.

Get out there and buy yourself an EBR....with a 50 round drum magazine...and a "protruding pistol grip", flash suppressor and all that other "evil stuff".  I'll bet dollars to donuts it doesn't turn you into a crazed school killer.

We have to stick with our semi-auto bretheren right now, 'cause if we don't, there will be nobody left to stick by us.

In closing, I leave you with the French National Anthem....with not so well done subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g


Offline 2fewdaysafield

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2013, 02:44:03 AM »
Almost all of those EO's seem very reasonable. Of course I'm not so blinded by party lines, political rhetoric and paranoia that I call anything and everything the Obama administration does as wrong. I'm all for strengthening background checks and mental health. I didn't notice anything that is going to ban your guns or limit magazine capacities, nothing to justify people's irational fears that's brought on the current price gouging we're seeing.

Arizona's private transaction laws are very weak, what is so bad about having a bill of sale or reporting the serial number of the firearm you sold and the name of the person you sold it to? Comparing selling a firearm to a private party to letting your neighbor borrow sugar is a poor comparison. There are no laws preventing convicted felons or the mentally ill from owning sugar, those do apply to firearms and with Arizona's current laws on private sale, there is no way for you to know if the person you're selling a firearm to is even lawfully allowed to own one. Currently it is just an easy way for people who can't legally own a firearm to obtain one without a background check.

I don't believe Arizona's laws have worked "just fine" for us for over 100 years. Had there been stricter regulations on sales and perhaps a waiting period, Jared Loughner, an admitted drug abuser, a student who was required by his college to get mental health clearance to return to school, would not have so easily obtained the handgun he used to kill innocent people and severely wound Gabriel Giffords.

Sion.....You are wrong too.  See my response to Boz above.

I would also point out to you that all this "common sense gun control" is claptrap.  The loon that shot up the school 35 miles south of me and triggered this latest round of gun control nonsense had been turned down by NICS over a year ago because he LIED on the paperwork.  THAT IS A FELONY!  And you know what the Vice President said when asked why the loon wasn't prosecuted????

THE MORON VP said.... (I paraphrase)

"We don't have time to prosecute everyone that lies on gun paperwork."

You see...they "don't have time" so they just want to make things easy on themselves and outlaw all guns.

No.  There is no such thing as "common sense gun control".  Their is only an overreaching government trying to strip us of our RIGHTS.  Make no mistake.  That is what is going on.

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2013, 02:51:04 AM »
How about if the Feds mandate it at $100 per transfer for private sales? Or FFLs suddenly realize 'Hey, this is an opportunity to make some easy cash, lets charge those suckers $75 a pop for filling out a form and making a phone call, they ain't got no choice if they want that fancy pistol'. Are we still alright with it then?

This is already happening and has been for years in some states.  $50 is now CHEAP for a transfer in Ca.  $50 to $75 is the norm in Ct.  Luckily for me my FFL is a buddy and hunting and fishing partner.  That said he still charges me $30 for a transfer.  He charges others $50.