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Offline miataeric1

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POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« on: January 16, 2013, 12:08:34 PM »
I'm watching this live newscast of Obama right now and I'm NOT thrilled by what I'm hearing so far. Wanted to start this thread to discuss.
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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2013, 12:11:20 PM »
Watching it, getting sick to my stomach

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2013, 12:13:20 PM »
Here's the list of the 23 EO's:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/01/16/read_president_obama_s_new_proposed_executive_orders_and_legislation_on.html


1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2013, 12:13:52 PM »
Watching it, getting sick to my stomach

Agreed. Will he be grandfathering the hi-cap mags we already have? Will we be criminals now just for owning them from before? I sincerely hope the politicians that are threatening to impeach him will follow through.
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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2013, 12:18:43 PM »
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4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
That one is interesting...this could be really exploited. Watching.

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2013, 12:23:07 PM »
Jim, thanks for the list of what all he just signed. So from looking at them and listening to him, it sounds like he's calling for Congress to enact any sort of weapons and/or magazine capacity bans, so it looks like we may have some hope there still. I don't think he had the balls/clout to be able to try and pull something like that off on his own.
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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2013, 12:31:31 PM »
Looking at stuff from the New York Times, he looks to modify HIPPA to allow reporting to fed.gov anything they think should bar gun wonership on mental health reasons. Follow this - your doctor prescribed you Welbutrin in a micro does for some tough times you had back four years ago. This same doctor hates guns. HIPPA is modified, and he sends in a list of everyone he has every prescribed mental health style meds for over the years. Fill out the 4473, background check goes BING...denied, and maybe a nice note to the GunRunner General about someone who might be looked at, with a SWAT team...
OK, that's a WAY over the top scenario, but everything in government tends to go way over the top eventually.

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2013, 12:34:37 PM »
Wow, those all seem quite reasonable on first read.

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2013, 12:40:14 PM »
That hypo is reaching a bit, but in general it's not these executive orders that are really the concern right now (at least for me).  Real change (if any) will come from Congress.  I personally don't have a big problem with strengthened background checks and laws requiring background checks for private firearm transactions, but I would certainly have a problem with a new  assault weapons ban and/or a "high-capacity" magazine ban - especially ones without language grandfathering in existing weapons/magazines.  That said, I'd be more worried if the GOP didn't hold a majority in the House.  I just hope my trust in the GOP isn't misplaced.

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2013, 12:50:07 PM »
I will have to respectfully disagree, box - it's nobody in government's business what I do with my lawfully held and lawfully transferred personal property, whether it be guns, gasoline, clothesline or that cup of sugar the neighbor want's to 'borrow'.
They get the no-privtae-sales in law, and you can bet the law requiring them to destroy any transaction records in 24 hours will be scrapped, as well changing the call-in reporting to add serial numbers.
One point - many states, mine included, do not require a background check if you posess a CCW permit...wonder if that's going away, too.
Yeah, it was a seriously over the top scenario, but I've seen and read of times our government has gone seriously over the top - can you imagine unleashing tanks and infantry on unarmed protesters camped out in front of the Capitol? It's already happened once...

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2013, 12:53:05 PM »
BTW, he also wants to gut Curio and Relic standards, allowing ATFE to determine what a C&R eligible firearm is by removing the 50 years requirement - wanna bet all those Yugo SKS rifles would suddenly be non C&R? C&R would change drastically, and for the worse. He is panicked, you see - the very first AR-15s sold to civilians are now C&R eligible...

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2013, 12:56:32 PM »
Again I think you're stretching.  For one, private sales could simply have to go through a registered FFL - they wouldn't have to be banned.  Also, such a requirement has absolutely nothing to do with transaction records, gun registration, CCW permits, and the like, beyond those are generally other examples of gun control.  However, there's no causal connection between those scenarios.

To put it another way, law could be drafted in such a way that it doesn't restrict what you can do with your lawfully held property, beyond merely ensuring that you do not transfer it unlawfully to someone who can't pass a simple background check.

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2013, 01:01:08 PM »
<snip>  That said, I'd be more worried if the GOP didn't hold a majority in the House.  I just hope my trust in the GOP isn't misplaced.
You trust any of them?
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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2013, 01:02:04 PM »
<snip>  That said, I'd be more worried if the GOP didn't hold a majority in the House.  I just hope my trust in the GOP isn't misplaced.
You trust any of them?

Relative to other politicians, yes.  Beyond that?  No.

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Re: POTUS signing 23 Executive Orders.....Thoughts?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2013, 01:05:18 PM »
I nearly broke my computer screen when the liar showed his concern for the deaths due to straw purchases, Oh like the guns the US Government put into the hands of the Mexican cartels?

Czeetah, I agree on first look they sound agreeable but it is in the implementation that the trouble comes.
If they make the changes seem palatable to the majority then they get the go ahead , Boiling the frog is all it amounts to.


"law could be drafted in such a way that it doesn't restrict what you can do with your lawfully held property"
The important word there is COULD there is no indication that they are implementing these laws for the greater good of gun owners.

I would trust none of the politicians, It is our job to hold their feet to the fire. Or just let them use there better judgment because they are so good at it.