hunting with a pistol ?

[LeRoy]

my glock loving friend  has showed me a few videos about people hunting with a glock that has an extended barrel ect. does anyone out there know or seen a CZ pistol for hunting or seen how they modified the gun? ( optics,trigger, ect )

just somewhat of a curious thing

[E.Shell]

Never used a CZ to hunt, but have taken about a half dozen deer with both the T/C Contender and the Ruger Redhawk. I have also hunted small game with all manner of handguns, but mostly .22 rimfire and .38 wadcutters.

I'd strongly suggest a low powered scope or red dot sight for hunting. I could not guarantee good hits with iron sights beyond about 25 yards in the woods (low light, woods, brush and game are a LOT different than high-contrast targets at the range), but used Leupold 2x EER and 4x EER long eye relief pistol scopes to good effect. A red dot sight works well too, I currently have one on my .22 handgun and it extends my effective range well beyond what I can resolve with iron sights.

In Maryland, where I hunted deer, there is a minimum muzzle energy requirement (600 Ft.Lbs) and minimum barrel length requirement (6") for big game. A 6" .357 Mag was the minimum allowable rig and what this energy/barrel standard was based on. I personally found the .357 Mag marginal and used the .30-30 Win, .35 Rem, .44 mag and .357 Max. I preferred the .357 Max for a balance between trajectory and recoil and used 180 XTPs most of the time.

[LeRoy]

thanks E.Shell!

i would love to buy a Taurus 617ss to use as a daily carry and then buy a much longer barrel for hunting, maybe even scope it or red dot. i was looking at this like ( my carry gun is the snubnose version of my hunting gun ) and then id only have to get one style reloading  set to do both.

i guess im ocd like this =] haha

[Llamafood]

I would think a witness in 10mm would be a good choice for a cz style hunting gun.   maybe a 97b with the proper ammunition would work well too.   

when hunting I believe in using a weapon and good judgement for shot placement that will cause an animal to suffer the least. depending on your skill, choose accordingly.   Me personally I dont want to run the risk of maiming an animal and not inflicting immediately life ending injuries.

[LeRoy]

I would think a witness in 10mm would be a good choice for a cz style hunting gun.   maybe a 97b with the proper ammunition would work well too.   

when hunting I believe in using a weapon and good judgement for shot placement that will cause an animal to suffer the least. depending on your skill, choose accordingly.   Me personally I dont want to run the risk of maiming an animal and not inflicting immediately life ending injuries.

i like this response. it kinda dawned on me a few days ago that if i reload anyway, i can reload rounds for the 3006-3030  anyways. each is a smaller gun so its not a big deal to me anyways

[armoredman]

Depends on the game - I know guys down here who hunt peccary, (Javalina), with 9mm and 40SW pistols. Good eating if you prepare them right - best rodent barbecue there is.
I think I would balk at hunting anything larger than that, not just the distance thing, (I can get hits 4 out of 5 with the Phantom at 50 yards IF the target ain't moving!), but the also the lethality - hunters don't want to have to finish off a wounded animal, best to do a humane one shot/one kill type of thing.

[andres14725]

I don't believe it is in any way ethical to hunt with a pistol or any handgun for that matter. Just because one could doesn't mean one should.

[jameslovesjammie]

I don't believe it is in any way ethical to hunt with a pistol or any handgun for that matter. Just because one could doesn't mean one should.

Never heard of a guy named Elmer Keith I take it.  Daniel Wesson took every animal in North America with the. 357 Magnum before it was released to the public.  T/C contenders and encores have probably taken nearly every type of game on the PLANET.

Just because you don't believe it can be done doesn't mean it can't.

[bozwell]

I don't believe it is in any way ethical to hunt with a pistol or any handgun for that matter. Just because one could doesn't mean one should.

Never heard of a guy named Elmer Keith I take it.  Daniel Wesson took every animal in North America with the. 357 Magnum before it was released to the public.  T/C contenders and encores have probably taken nearly every type of game on the PLANET.

Just because you don't believe it can be done doesn't mean it can't.

To be fair, you're obviously glossing over the word "ethical" in his post.  He didn't say it can't be done.  He said he doesn't believe it's ethical to do it, even though it's possible to do it.

[jabbermurph]

the CZ 10mm prototype looks like it would be a pretty sweet hunting piece or possibly the 97 Sport II....with the right optics and a good monopod (rail mounted) or bipod, either would be a nice semi-auto hunting experience for deer or hog

[jameslovesjammie]

I don't believe it is in any way ethical to hunt with a pistol or any handgun for that matter. Just because one could doesn't mean one should.

Never heard of a guy named Elmer Keith I take it.  Daniel Wesson took every animal in North America with the. 357 Magnum before it was released to the public.  T/C contenders and encores have probably taken nearly every type of game on the PLANET.

Just because you don't believe it can be done doesn't mean it can't.

To be fair, you're obviously glossing over the word "ethical" in his post.  He didn't say it can't be done.  He said he doesn't believe it's ethical to do it, even though it's possible to do it.

Ok.  To make my post less "glossy" and more "fair", remove the last line of my post.  Anyone who doesn't think a handgun is capable of ethically taking game needs to get out more.  Yes, there are limitations, but handguns can be much more effective than most people give them credit for.

[E.Shell]

I don't believe it is in any way ethical to hunt with a pistol or any handgun for that matter. Just because one could doesn't mean one should.

You are entitled to that opinion.

What if I told you my handguns were capable of better accuracy than a Winchester M-94? Would you say that the M-94 is unethical?

What if you found out my T/C Contender hunting handgun is chambered for .35 Remington or .445 SuperMag? Would you suggest a .35 Remington is of insufficient power? A .445 SuperMag turns up about 20% more muzzle energy than a .44 Magnum, is THAT not enough?

My handguns are more accurate and more powerful than most muzzle loaders and ALL archery gear. That stuff unethical too?

We all have varying skill levels. If you do not feel confident with a handgun, please, so not use one. By the same token, do not project limitations on others based on your individual perceptions or limitations.

My idea of unethical is a hunter that buys a magnum rifle that scares him to death, never shoots it much or well, but takes it hunting once a year and half his shots end up wounding game. That, to me, is unethical.

[andres14725]

When mentioning "handgun" the mind goes to a typical handgun with a 4" or 5" barrel, a T/C Contender with a 12" barrel is obviously in a different class. Somehow your statement that I am entitled to my opinion belies the prickliness of your response. The word "ethical" seems to have touched a nerve.

[Armor Snail]

10mm Witness Hunter is probably as close as it gets to a CZ pistol suitable for hunting.  I know a few handgun hunters who would love to use one if we could in PA.  They all use Super Redhawks.


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[jabbermurph]

22lr. high velocity between the eyes will drop one in a heartbeat.  Done it several times.  Hit high, though and it is a bit gruesome, but they won't go far.  As far as ethics goes, i doubt it is an arguement that holds any true wieght outside of personal coices and beliefs.  Nature is torturous to prey, in most cases.  Just because we have the tools to make a killing shot doesn't mean it will always happen.  If one thinks any type of hunting is unethical, i challenge them to stop eating meat, for mass production of livestock is much more inhumane than even a wounding shot that leaves an animal for the coyotes.  YOMV, just the way i look at things