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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2013, 08:09:14 PM »
I'm going to try to get more testing done myself, this time with SMPP (magnum). Use the same loads and see if the chrono can see any differences in my 'tried and true' loads. That might be helpful to several forum members since mag primers are showing up and don't seem to evaporate off the shelf like standard primers.

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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2013, 12:50:27 PM »
Not that anyone was dying for the results and needed to be notified...  ;)


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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2013, 01:26:31 AM »
Okay, so here we go.  A couple nights of partying delayed me a couple of days.  I am, for the record, totally stealing Wobbly's report for a template.   ;)

Environmental Conditions -- It's Florida, so temperature was hot, and the air was saturated with water.  8)

(Powder, primers, and brass were the same for all 4 bullets tested) 

Powder:      IMR 7625
Primers:      CCI 500
Brass:         Starline virgins
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The Loads:


Bullet #1     124gr Berry's Hollow Back Round Nose Thick-plated Double Struck (why didn't they go with a long name?)

Load data was taken from the Hodgdon online load database.  I could not find exactly what I needed, but the Hodgdon database did have 130 grain Berry's RN loaded at OAL 1.15, which was almost .02 under what those bullets push test to in my barrel, so I used that, starting at the bottom of that data, reasoning that with the same powder and OAL but with a lighter bullet of the same basic design and manufacture, I would be starting in a safe range.

The results from the ProChrono:

4.2gr     941fps avg     ES-28
4.3gr     972fps avg     ES-57
4.4gr     999fps avg     ES-29
4.5gr     992fps avg     ES-21
4.6gr    1022fps avg    ES-15
4.7gr    1059fps avg    ES-20

Between the 4.4 and 4.5 strings, I began to suspect that a cloudless sky, direct sunlight, and shiny Berry's bullets were messing with the chrono.  I used cardboard to block direct sunlight from the side, and things settled down.  I suspect that is the reason for the drop in extreme spreads.  And I suspect that the results of the first three strings are high. 


Bullet #2:  124 Montana Gold JHP

Again I had a little trouble finding a precise load to draw from.  These bullets push test to 1.089 in my barrel, and I didn't feel comfortable going longer than 1.079.  Sierra's fifth edition has load data for 125 jhp at 1.075, indicating safe charges between 4.5 and 5.4 grains.  After noting some load discrepancies between Hodgdon and Sierra with another bullet and the 7625, a discrepancy in which Hodgdon was the more conservative of the two, I decided to drop Sierra's starting charge down to 4.2, and I went with the slightly higher OAL of 1.079.

The results from the ProChrono:

4.2gr     LOST -- Hit the wrong button   :o
4.3gr    1027fps avg     ES-16
4.4gr    1046fps avg     ES-21
4.5gr    1056fps avg     ES-22

If you want to use MG 124JHP with this powder, at a similar OAL, I would recommend starting a bit lower than I did.  Everything went fine, but I believe a bigger cushion would be prudent.  I am going do a second round of these and start lower so that I have a longer list of charges to compare to accuracy bumps attained from those charges to better see what's going on.  I will post here again when I do.


Bullet #3:  125 BBI Round Nose -- Moly-coated
Bullet #4:  147 BBI Flat Point -- Moly-coated

I mention these two here because I did test them and planned on including them, BUT I have chosen not to include the data.  There wasn't anything particularly close to draw from with my OAl.  I really had to do a lot of extrapolation from published loads and from other shooter's loads to find a starting range I felt was safe, and I don't feel comfortable posting it where others might take it for science and use it.  I will say that both bullets produced sufficiently accurate loads; however, while extreme spreads and standard deviations were acceptable, they were a little higher than the other two bullets.  I also had greater variation in actual loaded OAL with these two bullets, so that might be a contributing factor.


SHOOTING EXPERIENCE:

Feel -- I have a lifetime of shooting paying more or less no attention to how one powder feels vs another.  I pay attention now, but I lack a variety of experiences in the short time I have been paying attention, so a meaningful assessment of feel is impossible.  At every velocity with every bullet I shot, it was pleasant to shoot.  That's about as specific as I can get.

Accuracy -- I didn't measure groups, but I did run new targets for every string, and everything was decent.  There were no instances where bumping up to the next tenth of a grain cut group sizes significantly. It was the same for all four bullets I tested with the 7625: within the loads for a particular bullet, accuracy was boringly consistent from one charge to the next.  And while the loads with the Montana Gold were a bit tighter than the other three, I strongly suspect that that credit goes to the MG bullet on its own, not some particular affinity between 7625 and the MG's.

That's it.  Feel free to chastise me at will.  Thank you for playing along.  ;)
« Last Edit: November 03, 2013, 09:19:41 AM by IDescribe »

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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2013, 10:51:20 PM »
Good soli data with bullets I use.  Thank you.
My MGs will load a little longer (1.098), so I think I can hit my preferred sweet spots on speed with a 4.6gr load.  8)
Maybe the same situation  with the Berry's HBRN-TP at 1.135" @ 4.7grs-ish.  Using n320, it needs .1 grs more than my other 124 shorter oal bullets use.
When I can get a round tuit,  I'll post results.

Can someone give me verbal comparison of 7625's "particle size" compared to Win 231 or AA#5?
With 4.6 grs of 7625, how "full' is the case,  over half?


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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2013, 12:07:09 AM »
With 4.6 grs of 7625, how "full' is the case,  over half?

My mistake.  Meant to include that.  Yes, 4.6 is over half.  Half is 4.3. 

Someone else will need to address size relative to w231 and/or AA5.   ;)

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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2013, 12:53:20 AM »
Thanks, appreciate the volume info.

re particle size:  I expect it's bigger than AA#5 , but don't know for sure.  My powder system will work with AA#5, but it's real close to being too small for the LEE Disk system to handle without leaking all over the press..  AA#5 is also small and dense enough to triple charge light loads.  Win 231 is moderately small flattened ball powder that loads great.  That's why the odd question. ;D
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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2013, 06:56:14 PM »
I may put some more numbers up in the coming days, but I shot almost 300 rounds today, all with IMR 7625, including 150 in three 50 round batches: Berry's 124 HBFP at 130 avg PF, Berry's 124 HBRNTPDS at 131 avg PF, and Montana Gold 124 HP at 132 avg PF.   This was not "working up loads".  This was having three decent loads and wanting just to shoot.   :)

Today was my first day shooting a large batch of Berry's flat points at a single charge weight.  I liked them a lot.  They rivaled the Montana Golds in accuracy, but felt recoil was a little less.  Of the eight different bullets I've been seating over 7625, if I had to load up a few boxes to shoot at a match this weekend, it would be the Berry's flat points.  We'll see how that plays out with more shooting.   ;)
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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2013, 05:09:12 PM »
More data.  :-)

Powder, primers, and brass were the same for all bullets tested:

Powder:      IMR 7625
Primers:      CCI 500
Brass:         Starline

Bullet #1      
Black Bullet International 125 grain Round Nose   
OAL 1.1

I previously had trouble finding a comparable bullet with which to get published load data for this BBI bullet, but the answer was staring me in the face all along.  The load data I previously arrived at through some rather tedious number-crunching and cross-checking/comparing is confirmed by Hodgdon?s online database, using the 125 grain LCN. I don?t know how I missed it.  I trust this data is safe to use for this BBI bullet as I have identified 125 grain lead LCN bullets online that appear to have come from the same mold as the BBI 125 grain RN, the only difference being that the BBI?s are moly-coated.  I suspect LCN vs RN in this specific instance is just a difference in naming.  I believe ?conical/cone nose? is actually the appropriate term for this BBI bullet.

The results from the ProChrono:

3.6gr     945 fps avg        ES-22    PF-118   
3.8gr     975 fps avg        ES-55    PF-121
4.0gr   1008 fps avg        ES-18    PF-126   
4.1gr   1030 fps avg        ES-24    PF-128
4.2gr   1058 fps avg        ES-13    PF-132

Note: 4.1 grains is the max load listed by Hodgdon for the comparable bullet.  If you load over 4.1, you are loading over the published max load for the closest comparable bullet.


Bullet #2     
XTreme Plated 135 grain Round Nose Flat Point   
OAL 1.13

Load data came once again from Hodgdon?s online database.  Here I used the load data for a Berry?s 130 grain RN.  Between XTreme Plated?s recommendation to use mid-level jacketed loads and the extra bullet weight, I decided knocking off .4 grains/10% from the published starting charge weight of 4.2 grains would create a sufficient safety buffer.   

The results from the ProChrono:

3.8gr    903 fps avg    ES-53    PF-121
3.9gr    912 fps avg    ES-18    PF -123
4.0gr    946 fps avg    ES-26    PF-127
4.1gr    963 fps avg    ES-25    PF-130
4.2gr    996 fps avg    ES-35    PF-134



Also, yesterday I shot a batch of 50 identically loaded Montana Gold JHP?s using the load that achieved an average velocity of 1056 from my previously posted data in this thread.  I fired the first ten over the chrono, getting an average velocity of 1069 this time. 

I'll post more data when it's ready.  :-)


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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2013, 08:16:59 AM »
You guys are making me look really bad; forcing me to get off my keister.

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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2013, 01:33:51 PM »
Today, I took out two test batches of 50 with AA#2 with 135 Xtreme Plated and 147 BBI...

BUT I also loaded 50 of the 125 BBI with IMR 7625 at 4.2gr (which in the previous test averaged 1058) for actual shooting practice.  I ran the first ten rounds over the chrono, and got an average of 1063 fps.  Here's the thing : the actual string was:

1057 1054 1066 1065 1072 1064 1064 1064 1064 1064   ;D  I don't know how common it is to get five consecutive identical velocities, but I was pretty excited.




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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2013, 02:08:50 PM »
It's sure not common with my loads.  Good job!

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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2013, 08:51:29 PM »
More 7625 testing Sunday. This time with Mag primers.

Caliber:    9x19 Luger
OAL:        1.130"
Primer:    Winchester Mag SPP
Powder:   IMR 7625
Brass:      Mixed
Bullet:      Berry 124gr HBRN
Gun:        CZ SP-01

4.1gr       1027 fps
4.2gr       1041
4.3gr       1055

70 F, Clear, Bright

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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2013, 09:25:10 PM »
I'm impressed how 7625 shows a very reliable progression with .1 grain changes

Wobbly,  did you notice any differences with the "Mag" primers?  Hotter?, burns cleaner?, snappier? Make you feel younger? O0

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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2013, 09:39:41 PM »

Quick question, Wobbly.  My HBRN-TPDS push tests to over 1.2, so loading them at 1.16 is plenty away from the lands.  I'm sure you're in the same boat, so I'm wondering why you chose 1.13 over something longer.  Educate me, please.  :)


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Re: IMR 7625
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2013, 09:59:11 PM »
Here's something interesting -- if I seat my HBRN to 1.3, the seating depth will be .001 shallower than where I've been seating my HBFP, and I think we can agree that .001 is a wash.   However, I need 4.5 grains to get the HBFP to 1050.   You're getting the HBRN there at the same seating depth with 4.3.   

And now I'm curious.  I'm going to have to load up the two at the same seating depth and see what happens.  I'll let you know tomorrow. ;-)