John Kerry signed the U.N. Global Arms Trade Treaty today

[JimThornTX]

Well, it's official. John Kerry signed the ATT today. It now has to be ratified by a two-thirds majority in the Senate (67 votes) which I highly doubt will happen. But that doesn't mean we can let our guard down.

http://youtu.be/E77Vv46c1GQ

http://www.guns.com/2013/09/25/kerry-signs-u-n-global-arms-trade-treaty-video/

[Grendel]

No treaty, even if ratified, supersedes the Constitution. It will simply be struck down. Lurch's signature isn't worth a pot of warm piss.

[skipper]

The late Col. George "Bud: Day could tell you a thing or two about John Kerry.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1235321/posts

[Christophorus]

I don't understand this "treaty." Most, if not all, small arms trade originate from the US, Russia, or China, right?
The US Senate will not ratify it. Russia and China abstained from voting/ratifying.
It doesn't seem like anything will change, so what's the point??  O.o

Strangely enough, Iran was chosen as VP of the conference and voted against it? North Korea (which I didn't realize could vote) and Syria voted against it as well.

[1SOW]

No treaty, even if ratified, supersedes the Constitution. It will simply be struck down. Lurch's signature isn't worth a pot of warm piss.

Man, I hope you are correct.
A new 'edict' of some sort may pop out of the royal chambers,   likely based the latest episodes of shootings in places with weapons bans.

[bobanddog]

No treaty, even if ratified, supersedes the Constitution. It will simply be struck down. Lurch's signature isn't worth a pot of warm piss.

Signing treaties without legitimacy is an old habit that's hard to break...

[JimThornTX]

Canada refuses to sign the treaty....at least for now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/09/25/arms-trade-treaty-canada-harper_n_3989587.html

I can't help but think the USA would not have signed the treaty if we had a pro-gun Conservative administration running things in DC.

[PJM]

Careful, Jimmy. When I posted this the thread was shut down:

 "we, as gun owners, should keep an eye on this and be concerned that our politicians may find a circuitous and devious way to implement all or parts of the UN Treaty on gun regulation.

I was called names: a scaremonger and a tin-hat person.  Well, here it is knocking at our door again. 

Call me names if you like but I reaffirm that it is worthy of our watchful eye."

[Skookum]

Careful, Jimmy. When I posted this the thread was shut down ? .

No shortage of enablers of the modern liberal-progressive cause, even in the gunowner community.

[1SOW]

It now has to be ratified by a two-thirds majority in the Senate (67 votes) which I highly doubt will happen

When the recent vote in the Senate combined the ACA with the U.S. budget using cloture, a simple majority is all that's necessary for both to pass.
Just reiterating that there may be ways to force-feed unwanted bills through the system.
I'm thinking of shopping for a "Made in the USA"   tin hat.
Stay vigilant.

[bozwell]

It now has to be ratified by a two-thirds majority in the Senate (67 votes) which I highly doubt will happen

When the recent vote in the Senate combined the ACA with the U.S. budget using cloture, a simple majority is all that's necessary for both to pass.
Just reiterating that there may be ways to force-feed unwanted bills through the system.
I'm thinking of shopping for a "Made in the USA"   tin hat.
Stay vigilant.

No offense, but ACA and our current budget have nothing to do with treaty ratification, and you simply can't ratify a treaty with a simple majority.

[1SOW]

I acknowledge that.  The point is that there may be techniical ways to circumvent the "normal" way to do business.  It does sound like I'm becoming a pessimist, but current events are giving reason for that.

[IDescribe]

If we had voted against it with Syria, North Korea, and Iran, or even if we had abstained with Russia, China, Venezuela, and Cuba, I know I'd hold my head higher.   

[AdamSmith22134]

With Scalia's written verbiage in Heller that he and the majority believe the States still have the right to regulate open carry and concealed carry, it is intuitive that the States also have the right whether or not to register and track ownership.

Ergo, this treaty, even if ratified by the Senate, which is highly unlikely for 2/3rd's (since Demo's barely have a majority alone), as Widge said, would be ruled unconstitutional by the present US Supreme Court if it were to be used by the White House to force the States to do anything.

Comrades, I already live in the CCP of Kaliforniya, and here they register and track.  That's not a big problem, unless some wacko mayor like Nagin in New Orleans tries to go around and round up guns again.

The bigger problem is when jurisdictions like DC, Chicago, and California de facto administratively prevent your personal carrying of your defense firearm on your person legally.  That's what I wish the NRA would attack in the US Supreme Court about.

Not sure what the NRA is waiting for

[JimThornTX]

Ergo, this treaty, even if ratified by the Senate, which is highly unlikely for 2/3rd's (since Demo's barely have a majority alone), as Widge said, would be ruled unconstitutional by the present US Supreme Court...

We all thought Obamacare would be ruled unconstitutional, too.

Not sure what the NRA is waiting for

They're probably waiting for the next anti-gun RINO to step up and run for President (Chris Christie?) so they can endorse him just like they endorsed Mitt "Massachusetts AWB" Romney.