Having A Hard Time

[DannyB]

I am just not shooting this P09 that well, actually pretty badly.  I know it is just me because of all the great reviews on here about the gun.

Do you think it is just nuts to judge a gun on about 50 or so rounds?  I have been shooting pistols for over forty years and think I usually know pretty quickly whether or not I am going to like something that well.  And in this case if I can't shoot this thing any better than a Glock I pretty soon may give up.

Maybe I should wait until I get my shop set back up and all my reloading gear up and going again and can shoot a lot more.  Since building the shop I just haven't gotten everything done yet.  Right now I am conservative with what  ammo I have and don't feel like burning through a bunch of it if I am not quickly improving. 

For full disclosure I am a Glock-a-Holic.  I just believe in diversification.  I have tried real hard to like CZ's.  I had a SP01 Tactical for a while.  I just thought it needed shooting sticks to hold it up.   

[reshp1]

I'm in a similar situation. I have shot 1911's pretty much exclusively and going to this gun was a bit jarring. The trigger takes a lot of getting used to and I find I'm still getting the odd flier every mag or so because the trigger isn't what I'm used to. I'm just going to keep on shooting, focus on fundamentals and hope in improves. I got the gun for the capacity as a HD gun primarily, so even if I never shoot it quite as well as a 1911, it still has a place in my collection. As soon as CGW's hammer kit comes out for this gun, I'm buying it though. Can hardly wait.

[DannyB]

Besides fliers I have had two accidental double taps by trying to not let the trigger out much.  The double taps were on paper and not dangerous.  I just don't like that happening. 

Before the ammo shortages / craziness I wouldn't have even posted something like this.  I would have burned at least a few hundred rounds through it and made a decision then. 

[jdubya87]

Besides fliers I have had two accidental double taps by trying to not let the trigger out much.  The double taps were on paper and not dangerous.  I just don't like that happening. 

Before the ammo shortages / craziness I wouldn't have even posted something like this.  I would have burned at least a few hundred rounds through it and made a decision then.

I think its probably the trigger. I shot glocks for a few years before I transitioned to CZ's. Small learning curve. I think if you can find some way to make a more positive reset then you'll have a more glock like trigger. CGW has parts.

[GRB5111]

To the OP, if you've only shot 50 rounds, IMHO you've only just begun. I had a similar issue with a new gun in reverse of your experience. I bought an M&P Shield last year after having extensively shot DA/SA hammer guns like the CZ 75B & Ruger P94, SA guns like the 1911, and a S&W 586 revolver. Transitioning to a striker action like the Shield forced me to analyze my technique and trigger pull to make corrections. What I started to do was to go to the range with one gun, the Shield, for several sessions and work on trigger pull, stance, hold, and target acquisition. Improvement came gradually at first, and once I got used to the gun, I can now shoot consistently tight groups at 25 yards.

You're moving from a striker fired Glock to the DA/SA external hammer on the P-09, and I suggest you just need to focus on getting familiar with that gun. You'll be surprised how fast it will all come together once you build up a comfort level with the P-09.

Edited to add: If you want to save ammo, try the same exercises with trigger pull, stance, hold, and target acquisition in dry firing exercises. Place a coin on the end of the barrel and learn to dry fire in DA without disturbing it. If you can do that using a DA pull, the SA pull will be very easy. Getting used to a specific gun's pull and action makes a huge difference, and you can do that without burning ammo.

[DannyB]

Well besides having Glocks I also shoot a H&K USP 40 regularly as well.  I have a Sig 226 that I shoot on occasion, but not regularly.             

I guess I am just not used to such a long creep on the SA of this trigger.  The thing is, it isn't any longer than a harder pull on a Glock.  So in theory, I should shoot this P09 better.  Actually I shot a man's P07 over a year ago and shot it pretty well.   

I will find a snap cap and do some dry firing practice.  I just need to get my shop put together, get the Dillon warmed up, and shoot more.   

[Coleman]

Hay Danny I agree with grb5111 he's right on with the dry firing. I assure you its accuracy capabilities are very high im shooting 1-1 1/2 inch groups all day at 15-20yards and if I do my part I have but not consistently shot 4" groups at 50yards its an unbelievable weapon. I own an sp-01 and p-01 they all are capable of this and better im the problem. These p-09s are great guns hope you work it out there worth it.

[Riptide439]

DannyB & resp,
I agree with GRB 100%.

But if either of you feel different in a week or so, I will gladly take them off your hand. 

[Joe L]

The stock trigger is creepy in single action, but smooth.  My learning curve was short because my other guns are SIG P-226 with a trigger something similar to the P-09.  You guys might try what I demonstrate in this short video, which is prepping the trigger.  Take a look and maybe experiment a little. 

http://youtu.be/EyRJerXq3sw

I've shot this gun well since making an effort to take up all the creep prior to releasing the shot.  I'm going to shoot it in a bullseye match in February, I like it so much. 

Joe 

[reshp1]

Thanks for the tips and encouragement, but don't worry, I definitely plan on sticking with it. I'm pretty picky and it usually takes a little work before I get a gun working the way I want. I plan on getting a CGW hammer kit when they become available, I think that will help a lot.

[Cali Crash]

Thanks for the tips and encouragement, but don't worry, I definitely plan on sticking with it. I'm pretty picky and it usually takes a little work before I get a gun working the way I want. I plan on getting a CGW hammer kit when they become available, I think that will help a lot.

Almost all the CGW P09 parts are now available. I believe there was one hold up on a firing pin spring other then that you should be good to place your order now. My P09 slide is with Schmeky right now installing te sight set and will be shipped back very soon with a full set of P09 upgrades so I can't wait. Picking up the second P09 this Saturday so hopefully I'll be able to take the CGW P09 to the range an shoot it side by wide with the stock unit for a good comparison. Good luck as I'm being slow on my learning curve, but I only made mine worse by buying so many at once then modifying half of them. A lot of variances I've gotta get used to and doing it all at the same time. Going to pick my two favorites and focus on getting good with those for now. Anyways, good luck!

[GRB5111]

Joe - as usual, very informative video.

[reshp1]

Almost all the CGW P09 parts are now available

I don't think this is correct. I emailed Schemky/David about the Omega/P07/P09 Hammer kit last week and he said that they weren't in yet and when they were, the website would be updated with a "add to cart" button. So far, the "add to cart" button hasn't appeared yet. He did say he was expecting them in this week so I think I'll give them a call tomorrow.

By the way, I did make it out to the range today and shot better. 38 shots (2 mags) through a nice fist sized hole at 10yards, off hand, with only two fliers. This is about what I do with my 1911 so I'm pretty happy. One thing I wasn't very happy with was I did have one FTF on a box of 20 hollowpoints, Federal HST 124gr, which I was hoping would be my defense round.  Need to run some more of this stuff through to see if it was a fluke, but at almost $1 a round it gets expensive trying to get rid of that doubt in the back of your mind.

[Riptide439]

Reshp,
I would recommend removing the barrel and taking it with you when you look for SD rounds.
CZ have short landings so I would do a "plunk" test to make sure it drops in the barrel completely and spins.

For accuracy of rounds, reloading is the way to go! You can tailor rounds to your pistol. 

[reshp1]

Reshp,
I would recommend removing the barrel and taking it with you when you look for SD rounds.
CZ have short landings so I would do a "plunk" test to make sure it drops in the barrel completely and spins.

For accuracy of rounds, reloading is the way to go! You can tailor rounds to your pistol. 

I did check this actually, they fit fine. I'm not really sure what the problem is. I hand cycled some rounds, even eased the slide slowly forward to see if there were any hang-ups and it didn't seem like it. Only little hitch was when the case slipped under the extractor, which was pretty tight (again compared to 1911s, not sure if it's by design for the P09). I normally document my failures pretty carefully, but unfortunately I was getting chased off my lane because of a league event starting up so I didn't really take note where the round hung up. I think I'm just going to run some more target rounds through before I worry about troubleshooting SD ammo.