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Offline kiro

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CZ P-07 issues
« on: June 05, 2014, 10:45:34 PM »
Hi All -
After much drooling, I finally got my first CZ - the P-07 in 9mm. I love the look and feel of it, and today I finally got to take it to the range. I put 50 rounds or Winchester target 115 grain, and I had a few issues that I'm hoping I can get some advice on.

First, I had a few instances where the slide didn't stay back in the empty mag position when the magazine was empty. Second, I had a couple of ejection issues, where the spent brass got caught in the ejection port, wreaking a bit of havoc. And third, the magazines were very hard to load, and I usually didn't get them loaded to capacity.

I have a feeling that the issues are related to the recoil and magazine springs being new and extra stiff. I've sent an email to CZ USA. I'll call them tomorrow. Just hoping to get all the input I can, as I'm hoping to do more shooting with it this weekend and don't wanna have to send it back.

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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2014, 06:16:19 AM »
Welcome to the forum kiro.
What type ammo were you using? The combo of light ammo and the P07 being new are some of those symptoms. 
Put another 200 or 300 rounds thru it to see what happens.

When I picked up my P07 a few months ago, same issue. After 500 rounds - no problems!
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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2014, 07:19:31 AM »
The only problem I had with shooting my P-07 was with Remington UMC ammo.
I got rid of the ammo. I have shot Federal and Cabelas' Herters(S&B) with no problems.
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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2014, 07:44:38 AM »
I agree with Riptide, it sounds like it is just breaking in. 
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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2014, 08:17:01 AM »
Thanks guys, that's what I was hoping. I guess I'll have to go do more shooting. Problems, problems, problems O0

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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2014, 09:01:07 AM »
Oh no! . . . . . . You have to go out and shoot your P-07!!!  I feel so bad for you!!   O0

Have fun breaking it in.   ;D
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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2014, 09:43:18 AM »
Oh no! . . . . . . You have to go out and shoot your P-07!!!  I feel so bad for you!!   O0

Have fun breaking it is.   ;D

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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2014, 09:49:57 AM »
First, I had a few instances where the slide didn't stay back in the empty mag position when the magazine was empty. Second, I had a couple of ejection issues, where the spent brass got caught in the ejection port, wreaking a bit of havoc. And third, the magazines were very hard to load, and I usually didn't get them loaded to capacity.

The first problem is interesting, and I don't think this would get better with time.  If you look closely on an empty magazine, there is a little "land" on the left front corner of the plastic magazine follower.  This land will push up on the slide stop lever and hold the slide open as it cycles from the last round being fired.  A stiff magazine spring should push up on that slide stop lever REALLY hard...problems in this area are sometimes attributed to weak magazine springs not pushing up on the slide stop lever with enough force.  Insert an empty magazine and pull the slide back and check to see that that magazine follower "land" is making good contact with the slide stop lever.  Does this problem happen with both magazines, or just one?  It may be that one magazine's follower is just a little loose, allowing it to "side step" the slide stop lever.  CZ may offer to send you new magazines here.

Second, the ejection issues may be due to the tight recoil spring, and the gun not having been broken in yet.  The lighter loads (like 115 grain Winchester White Box, or WWB) sometimes don't have quite enough recoil force to cycle that slide COMPLETELY back, sometimes resulting in stovepipes or failures to eject.  As the gun breaks in, this may get better with time.  It will likely get better with different ammo.  And it would most certainly get better with a tweak to the recoil spring (a lighter spring).  All that said, I just shot my new P-07 for the first time yesterday and had no malfunctions; I was also shooting 115 grain WWB.  I put probably 150 rounds through it yesterday.  Shoot yours some more and see if the malfunctions go away.  If not, consider trying different ammo, or even a slightly lighter recoil spring if you are comfortable with changing gun parts.

Your third problem is quite common; the new P-07 magazines are 15 round magazines, but I get 14 in mine.  I also have a P-09 with 19 round magazines, but I get 18 in mine.  After a lot of cycles, those magazine springs should break in enough to allow that 15th round (in the P-07 mags).  If CZ does send you some new magazines to address your first problem, you'll likely find the same thing with those.  I have found that CZ magazines are harder to load in general, as the feed lips (that hold the top round in) extend forward pretty far.  I have found an Uplula speed loader to be well worth the price of admission.

http://www.maglula.com/product/uplula-9mm-to-45acp/

You can buy them in most sporting goods or shooting supply stores.

Here is a YouTube video that shows how to use one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOaqyvd3LS0

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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2014, 10:27:05 AM »
Thanks man - great info. I guess I was thinking the slide issue would get better with time cause I was thinking the recoil spring might be hindering the slide from going back far enough to get caught. But I'll double check when I get home to make sure both mags will hold the slide back.

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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2014, 10:34:08 AM »
Thanks man - great info. I guess I was thinking the slide issue would get better with time cause I was thinking the recoil spring might be hindering the slide from going back far enough to get caught. But I'll double check when I get home to make sure both mags will hold the slide back.

I see what you're saying regarding the slide not holding open.  I doubt that the recoil spring is so strong, or that the ammunition is so weak, that it doesn't kick the slide all the way back for the slide stop to engage.  I suppose that it could be that, but I would think that'd be unlikely.  Does the slide cycle smoothly when you rack it by hand?  It's probably pretty stiff to rack it (mine is), but it should loosen up with some use.

That should be pretty easy to diagnose.  Find some 124 grain or 147 grain ammunition and see if continue to have those problems.

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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2014, 10:44:40 AM »
It was a devil to rack at first, but is getting easier. I'll pick up some 147 and do some testing. Thanks again!

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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2014, 05:43:28 PM »
Thanks again for all the help! I fully cleaned and re-oiled the gun, and, based on CZ's recommendation, held my wrists stiffer, and successfully put 100 rounds through it earlier today without failures. I think CZ was right about my wrists - I'm a bowhunter and have it ingrained in me to keep a very loose grip on my weapon so as to avoid torquing it.

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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2014, 11:53:25 AM »
Congrats on your new P-07. Welcome from Oklahoma!




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Re: CZ P-07 issues
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2014, 10:34:23 PM »
Are you shooting reloads or what factory ammo are you using. I might have missed it.  How far from you are your brass landing.  Have you oiled the slide rails?