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Offline 10mmdude

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Why no .40 love CZ
« on: July 15, 2014, 08:18:55 AM »
This question is for who ever can answer it...

Why is it impossible to obtain or create a 75 in .40 if you so t buy the whole pistol?
I would love the option to be able to buy a .40 upper, I think a lot of others as well!!

Just think, you have 9mm shadow uppers and you could do the same with .40 as well!
Have an accu .40... It doubles the option and uppers you can sell and Idk all the ins and outs of the competition circuit but I do know from reloading that guys use it to make major PF, if they had a .40 upper they could do it no problem with out the need to buy a new gun :)
Basically I like the 40 I have just in all my 75 shooting never shot one and I think with the design of the 75 .40 would shoot very nice :)

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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 08:26:21 AM »
Not sure. Around here 40 cal is pretty unpopular during the ammo scare you could buy shot shells and 40sw.

Its easy to make major with the 9mm cz's so you would have to give up capacity for ?

I still like the idea and think it would be nice if you could get the 75 series in 40,10,45 but I'm not sure the demand is there or if its even possible.
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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2014, 08:54:16 AM »
I would love a CZ compact .45
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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2014, 09:07:37 AM »
Not sure. Around here 40 cal is pretty unpopular during the ammo scare you could buy shot shells and 40sw.

Its easy to make major with the 9mm cz's so you would have to give up capacity for ?

I still like the idea and think it would be nice if you could get the 75 series in 40,10,45 but I'm not sure the demand is there or if its even possible.
How do you get to major 9 in a CZ?   I have to load mine awfully short to try to push it that fast.   I guess I could ream the barrel.

I think the big failing of 40 cal for all steal CZ's is limited capacity.    A Glock 22 or M&P 40 holds 15 40 cal.    A CZ75, in 40 cal, holds 12.   On the plus side, the P series have competitive capacity.   
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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2014, 10:48:37 AM »
Top ends are difficult to come by. Not really an available commodity.
I do have .40 guns in stock.
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Offline Jake G

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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2014, 10:56:33 AM »
If you want a .40 upper just wait until you find a good deal on a used 75b .40. Buy the gun and sell the frame. I would think you should easily recover a high percentage of your cost.  I would bet you could easily sell a frame to a number of people including a lot of people who want their kadet kits to have a permanent home.

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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2014, 11:03:23 AM »
I'm not one who is an authority on competitive pistol shooting, the rules or the go to kinda guidelines but I'd think it would be hard to make major in 9???

But I do agree that it would be real cool to have the 75 frame have more options like the witness line, it would be so cool to a multi cal gun (primarily just .40) I'm sting to see how 40 shoots outta a 75..
I'd figured it would feel like 9 outta any other gun ;)

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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2014, 11:05:31 AM »
If you want a .40 upper just wait until you find a good deal on a used 75b .40. Buy the gun and sell the frame. I would think you should easily recover a high percentage of your cost.  I would bet you could easily sell a frame to a number of people including a lot of people who want their kadet kits to have a permanent home.
I never actually thought of that idea! What do u think a frame would realistically go for?

Only problem with that and why me and my shooting buds are so partial to conversions is we live In the communist state of new Germany I mean New Jersey where obtaining a pistol is a very long process :/

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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2014, 11:11:31 AM »
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Not sure. Around here 40 cal is pretty unpopular during the ammo scare you could buy shot shells and 40sw.

Its easy to make major with the 9mm cz's so you would have to give up capacity for ?

I still like the idea and think it would be nice if you could get the 75 series in 40,10,45 but I'm not sure the demand is there or if its even possible.
How do you get to major 9 in a CZ?   I have to load mine awfully short to try to push it that fast.   I guess I could ream the barrel.

I think the big failing of 40 cal for all steal CZ's is limited capacity.    A Glock 22 or M&P 40 holds 15 40 cal.    A CZ75, in 40 cal, holds 12.   On the plus side, the P series have competitive capacity.   

I'm not one who is an authority on competitive pistol shooting, the rules or the go to kinda guidelines but I'd think it would be hard to make major in 9???

But I do agree that it would be real cool to have the 75 frame have more options like the witness line, it would be so cool to a multi cal gun (primarily just .40) I'm sting to see how 40 shoots outta a 75..
I'd figured it would feel like 9 outta any other gun ;)

To make 9mm major easy a throat reamer is needed. Now you can make major but to keep the pistol from beating itself to death a threaded barrel and comp are the only way to go.
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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2014, 03:56:51 PM »
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Not sure. Around here 40 cal is pretty unpopular during the ammo scare you could buy shot shells and 40sw.

Its easy to make major with the 9mm cz's so you would have to give up capacity for ?

I still like the idea and think it would be nice if you could get the 75 series in 40,10,45 but I'm not sure the demand is there or if its even possible.
How do you get to major 9 in a CZ?   I have to load mine awfully short to try to push it that fast.   I guess I could ream the barrel.

I think the big failing of 40 cal for all steal CZ's is limited capacity.    A Glock 22 or M&P 40 holds 15 40 cal.    A CZ75, in 40 cal, holds 12.   On the plus side, the P series have competitive capacity.   

I'm not one who is an authority on competitive pistol shooting, the rules or the go to kinda guidelines but I'd think it would be hard to make major in 9???

But I do agree that it would be real cool to have the 75 frame have more options like the witness line, it would be so cool to a multi cal gun (primarily just .40) I'm sting to see how 40 shoots outta a 75..
I'd figured it would feel like 9 outta any other gun ;)

To make 9mm major easy a throat reamer is needed. Now you can make major but to keep the pistol from beating itself to death a threaded barrel and comp are the only way to go.

So I'm guessing your loading your own 38 super in 9mm cases, or as long as the mag will allow?
What are they like 1.20coal?

That's a real neat idea! Like I said I'm no authority on this only trying to finds solutions for problems I don't have lmao

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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2014, 04:21:49 PM »
I must be a dumb because I don't understand some of the comments here.

USPSA requires a minimum .40 caliber projectile for Major power factor in the Limited/Limited 10 divisions.

The only people using a 9mm loaded to a major power factor are doing so in the Unlimited division and they are using compensators as well.

What am I missing here?

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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2014, 06:15:38 PM »
JMike,  two questions were asked.
In "Limited" division,  the 40 mag capacity is limited.

Smitty 79 asked about 9 mm major /  Open Division with a std. 75 model.  That brought up reaming the chamber to get the longer 9mm aols easier to load to major PF.
Here,  the mag well,  threaded bbl,  lengthened mags and comp would have to be added to make it competitive.  The bbl is also short for 9mm major loads with the slower powders.  Then I don't know how long it would hold up to the heavier loads.   

Smitty,  the 9x19 can be loaded to major without lengthening the chamber,  but getting enough gas to operate a comp. needed in Open Class would be harder to do.   A caseful of Silhouette compressed does a nice job generating gas in a longer bbl..  ;) 

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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2014, 06:47:37 PM »
JMike,  two questions were asked.
In "Limited" division,  the 40 mag capacity is limited.

Smitty 79 asked about 9 mm major /  Open Division with a std. 75 model.  That brought up reaming the chamber to get the longer 9mm aols easier to load to major PF.
Here,  the mag well,  threaded bbl,  lengthened mags and comp would have to be added to make it competitive.  The bbl is also short for 9mm major loads with the slower powders.  Then I don't know how long it would hold up to the heavier loads.   

Smitty,  the 9x19 can be loaded to major without lengthening the chamber,  but getting enough gas to operate a comp. needed in Open Class would be harder to do.   A caseful of Silhouette compressed does a nice job generating gas in a longer bbl..  ;)

LOL! My comments were more "tongue in cheek" than anything due to the content (some of it erroneous) of the thread. But thanks for responding.

If someone wants a CZ in .40SW that isn't "magazine handicapped"; there is always the CZ 75 Tactical Sport. I realize that pistol isn't a CZ75 B but it does solve the magazine issue with it's standard 16 round magazines. Btw, that is more rounds in a 40SW pistol than ANY stock pistol available except for a 2011 style pistol.

As far as the 9mm being pushed to major, if someone really wants to do that, why not just buy a CZ 75 TS CZechmate? It is a race-ready factory gun with all the trimmings. Again, I know it isn't a CZ75 B but it is a CZ 75.



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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2014, 08:21:24 PM »
I have one gun that will chamber a round over 1.200  ;D but I run all my hot stuff at 1.169. Lately been working on the carbine with major ammo. Been pushing over 200 power factor out of the 16in barrel.
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Re: Why no .40 love CZ
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2014, 09:21:23 PM »
JMike, exactly:  get the right pistol for the use intended.

T.C.  your reinforcing my growing impulse to get a carbine that I don't really need. ;D