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VZ.58 Pistol Build
« on: October 09, 2014, 09:03:04 PM »
She's almost done. 


Czechpoint VZ.58 Pistol
VZ-304 and AKM mount
Aimpoint PRO
Stormwerks adaptor
KAK Tube
Sig Arm Brace
Savvy Sniper Sling

Needs:
Trial paint job (Cerakote if I like the look)
Stipple job on grip and HG
Front sight cut down and moved back
Muzzle cut to 1/2-28 for muzzle brake/can mount.

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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2014, 10:26:43 AM »
Very nice!  I'm currently doing the same with a pistol I purchased from Czechpoint. 

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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2014, 06:19:43 PM »


Fantastic!  8)  Enjoy!  :)
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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2014, 04:45:17 PM »


Nice. So how come you didn't use the
paratrooper side folder on it?
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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2014, 05:33:56 PM »
Nice. So how come you didn't use the paratrooper side folder on it?

More than likely for nit-picky legal reasons.  Use of the Paratrooper side folder would require USA BATFE SBR paperwork to be filed and SBR rules to be obeyed, whereas the Sig-Brace gets by that, not being considered a stock.  He did, what I would have done, were it mine.  I seriously have to save up for one of these!   8)
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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2014, 10:32:28 PM »
Correct - this is still a pistol not an SBR.
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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2014, 11:19:37 PM »
But I believe legally you can use a folding mechanism like ACE or stormwerkz so long as you use the AR pistol tube and brace w/o registering if that's important to you.

A couple questions:

What's the tan on your mag for?

What do you think of Savvy Sniper's products?  First I've come across them actually but look interesting.  Tried any other slings or just this one?

Please tell us more about your scope mounts.
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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2014, 02:21:22 PM »
Yes you can use a folder.  The issue is you have to use a pistol only tube.  I personally don't like the folding options on the market so I used the Stormwerks rigid adapter.

Tan on the mag: is actually brown electrical tape.  Its a cheap, easy and reasonably durable way to quickly ID mags.  I participate in a lot of group shoots and especially with media mags get lost/swapped all the time.  This way I can grab mine easy peasy. 

I have been very impressed with Savvy Sniper.  My first tactical or modern sling was a VCAS.  I love my VCAS and have it on my primary AK.  Savvy offers more "customization" options and personally I really like the tubular webbing they use.  I have two Savvy Sniper slings on this and another AK and really like how easy they set up and adjust.  I have also had the good fortune to meet Brian the owner and he is a really plugged in guy who also happens to be a full time LEO and one of the funniest people I have ever met. 

The scope mount in question is one of our VZ-304 lowers and AKM upper.  This combo is part of our patented AK-300 Modular Side Mount family.  We make 6 lowers for all types of AK's and now the VZ with a side rail and 5 uppers for various types of optics.  The AK-300 is the only mount on the market that can be adjusted for gross windage so that the optic you choose is directly over-bore on the rifle.  This is't so much an issue with the VZ as it is with AK's.  On the VZ the primary advantage of the AK-300 is that you can use a dedicated upper of choice with the lower.  Want to run an ACOG? AKOG mount. 30mm Aimpoint? AKM mount.  This enables you to run whatever optic you want on the VZ in the proper position. 
This combo of VZ-304 and AKM weighs 5 oz without the optic and only adds under 0.3" to the width of the rifle.  It places the Aimpoint PRO directly over the dust cover so you don't mess with the reliability of the VZ.58.  You also don't change any of the combat proven parts so if the optic or mount goes down you are 2 seconds away from being back up and running.  Mounts return to zero when removed and re-installed. 

Let me know if you have any other questions - happy to help. 
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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2014, 05:08:11 PM »
Are the savvy sniper slings cotton or ballistic nylon? 

Good to know on the mounts -- adjustable windage is pretty clutch.  I've been casually looking into what I want to run on my RPK and it sounds like your mounts should fit the bill (I run ambi safeties on my VZ2008 which means the side scope mount rails wont' work for me).

Have you looked into making a Galil scope mount?  There's currently a huge market void there with only Promag making them and they fit neither the Century Golani nor the CNC Warrior scope dovetails w/o some fitting...  And they are like the original Galil scope mounts which are sit to the top left of barrel...  Still parallel but not ideal IMO.  Also, the biggest detriment to the scope rails that have been made and function is that the dovetails fail if overtightened (especially the aluminum ones).  So if you were to fab ones with replaceable dovetails, that'd be pretty awesome too.  Essentially the way they function is a plunger comes through the dovetail to press against that receiver which pushes the dovetail out against the dovetail slots to lock in place.  I would think you could couple a clamp like the the AKs onto the dovetail and still have a plunging mechanism to lock into place (blackthorne/akpartskits) makes ones that use a screw to hold into place on the dovetail rather than clamp but you have to remove your handguard to install, which is pain.  Your rear biased base appears to fit the bill. If interested in looking into, I might be able to loan you an in the raw CNC warrior receiver and a couple of the scope mounts I have on hand.  Oh, and FWIW, there appears to be some more Galil parts kits coming into the country this year as well from Central America per folks on the Uzitalk Galil forums (also talk of the Galil Ace being made here too, but they have a top rail).  Most of what's currently been coming in are South African parts kits and their receivers don't contain the scope dovetails, just lightening cuts, in that position. 

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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2014, 12:00:31 AM »
His slings are 1" tubular nylon webbing. 

As for Galil mounts, I've been toying with one on and off for a couple years now.  I just can't wrap my head around a "better" way of doing it.  I know some inprovments can be done, but does it move the needle?  If it does, how many would people buy?
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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2014, 09:57:13 AM »
I've read the SB15 brace is a little on the heavy side.  In your opinion does it balance the weapon well?  I know that Sig just released the SBX, a more stream lined version of the SB15, and I was trying to decide between the two.

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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2014, 07:48:15 AM »
It looks great!

So wish I would have gone this route instead of waiting forever for the Manufacturers Stamp == what a pain in the butt. 

BTW I used the RS rail mount with the AKOG scope adapter and I love it.  The machining and design are great.  The scope mount had to be set all the way back, and the scope set to the back holes to allow clearance for case ejection when a Flashkill was used on the ACOG.

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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2014, 04:32:41 PM »
Just came across this -- looks like a great option as well:





Image source and good read: http://www.recoilweb.com/friday-night-gun-porn-compliant-ar-option-and-an-ar-pistol-43401.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHyIoxD8Y1A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE-JYbgigVw

Stock tube cover -- $26.99 to $36.99 (more expensive having quick detach sling connects)
Saddle adapter kit -- $18.99
Saddle -- $26.49

Should ~$80-$100 delivered.  That is cheaper than the Sig Brace...

http://www.thordsencustoms.com/shop/AR-PISTOL.htm
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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2014, 07:53:48 PM »
She's almost done. 


Czechpoint VZ.58 Pistol
VZ-304 and AKM mount
Aimpoint PRO
Stormwerks adaptor
KAK Tube
Sig Arm Brace
Savvy Sniper Sling

Needs:
Trial paint job (Cerakote if I like the look)
Stipple job on grip and HG
Front sight cut down and moved back
Muzzle cut to 1/2-28 for muzzle brake/can mount.

Have you tried shooting the arm brace from your shoulder? That doesn't violate BATF restrictions if I'm not mistaken and it seems to work well on some ak and ar variants. I'm wondering, though, if you can do it without bringing your face too close to the back of the receiver cover... risking getting kicked in the face with each shot. My vz2008 folder works nicely, but my face is already pretty close to the back of the receiver as it is.

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Re: VZ.58 Pistol Build
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2014, 08:14:54 PM »
Horse -- sent you a PM re Galil mounts.