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M1 Garand from CMP
« on: October 12, 2014, 04:17:07 PM »
Anyone bought one of these? What grade did you select and were you pleased with the result? How does yours shoot?
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2014, 06:50:36 PM »
I bought mine several years back.

First one was a field grade Springfield Armory.  I got it in December of 2006.  It was a December 1944 rifle with the original barrel (very unusual I hear).  Shoots/works great.  Led me to get more.

I got two more in February or March of 2007.  I drove up to Camp Perry one Saturday and got those.  One was a Service grade Springfield Armory made in May 1943 with a replaced barrel.  My youngest son wanted that one so I gave it to him.  The other was a rack grade December 1944 (made one about one week before my first rifle) with a new like LMR barrel.  My oldest son didn't want one so I kept it.  That rifle became my "shooter"  It isn't pretty, but man does it shoot.

In May or June I went back to Camp Perry for a Garand Master Instructor class and bought two H&R barreled receivers.  My youngest son and I spent the next few months searching the internet and gun shows and buying H&R parts to build those two rifles back to shooting condition.  They pretty much look like new rifles.  That was a great father/son project.

I have read, over and over, that if you buy one from the CMP and you have function issues you can contact the CMP and they will send you the parts you need to fix it.

Only one of the 3 rifles I bought had issues and I just fixed it myself.  New bullet guide, new follower and follower arm and it hasn't malfunctioned since.

Good luck with your purchase.  Oh, get some clips and a GI web sling.  If you haven't been to an Appleseed you'd benefit from the training.  It help me a lot.
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2014, 09:11:38 PM »
Good info, thanks. I'm considering getting a shooter, rather than a display piece so I think Field or Service grade is where it's at - not that I know squat about the grading, or much about Garands for that matter.
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2014, 08:06:12 AM »
They are awesome guns.  After I got my first one I bought (actually my wife got it for me for Christmas) a book by Gen. J. S. Hatcher called Hatcher's Book of the Garand.  It covers the development (along with a lot of info on the politics - military and civilian - and the other rifles that competed with the Garand to replace the 03 Springfield) of the M1 with lots of additional interesting information.

Did you know, that after WW2, they realized that not a single M1 Garand had blown up during the war?  There were cases of 03 Springfield blowing up prior to WW2, but no M1's blew up during a war where it was used in climates from tropical islands, to the deserts, to arctic conditions.  They conducted some tests in the late 40's to determine the limits of the M1 Garand action.

During the test they used an M1 Garand, Springfield Armory pressure test guns (big heavy bolt action things) and a Type 99 Arisaka converted to 30.06 (also known to be a strong action/receiver).  They started with arsenal/GI ammo and then began to work their way up in pressure by intentionally overloading the cases with the standard powder.  At one point they began to fear damage to their pressure test guns so they stopped using them and extrapolated pressures based on what they'd measured vs. powder increases up to that point.  Eventually they got to the point where they blew up the Arisaka.  Finally they had a case failure in the Garand that damaged the stock, the trigger housing/floor plate.  The base of the cartridge case blew out releasing gas into the action/receiver of the M1.  The estimated, based on the earlier measured pressure, that the case gave out at a pressure of about 180,000 psi.  They replaced the damaged stock and trigger housing and continued firing the M1 with GI issue ammo for several hundred rounds with no problems.

I'm not advocating the firing of overloaded rounds in the M1, I'm just relating test results showing how strong that rifle/design really is.

Lot's of good info in that book on Garand, too.  He was a tool designer/maker.  He designed the rifle, the tools that the rifle parts were made with, the tools that were used to measure the finished parts and the tools that measured the tools used to measure the parts.  Lots of work/time goes into insuring all the parts have the right dimensions and will work when fitted to the next rifle coming down the assembly line.

Sorry, for the long post.  It's just an amazing rifle with an amazing history.

Oh, my wife has two uncles who were in Korea.  After church one night one of them looked at me and said, "The M1 was a 30.06, right?"  I told him yes, it was.  He said, "I thought it was, but I only remember two things about the M1.  It was heavy and it killed good.  It killed real good."  And that was all he said before we went back to talking about other stuff.

If I was still deer hunting, I'd be hunting with my "shooter" M1 Garand.  It outshoots my M1A that I used to deer hunt with.
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2014, 10:26:35 AM »
Bought a Service Grade Springfield last year, it has an NOS (new, old stock) Springfield barrel on it and the wood is crack free but shows normal wear. Very happy with the purchase and highly encourage others to buy. I'm going to order an H&R soon I think.

There is a forum linked with the CMP site, tons of info and one of the guys from CMP is a regular poster.
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2014, 05:59:12 PM »
The only thing against the Garand is it's weight. But that weight tames the recoil and makes it hold steady. They are fun rifles to shoot and can be very accurate. Be careful of the ammunition you use, normal 30.06 isn't good for them, it needs to say for the M1 Garand. 8)
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2014, 08:28:37 PM »
They are awesome guns.  After I got my first one I bought (actually my wife got it for me for Christmas) a book by Gen. J. S. Hatcher called Hatcher's Book of the Garand.  It covers the development (along with a lot of info on the politics - military and civilian - and the other rifles that competed with the Garand to replace the 03 Springfield) of the M1 with lots of additional interesting information.

There are also several GREAT books on the Garand by Scott Duff:

http://www.scott-duff.com/DuffBooks.htm#m1Garand
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2014, 08:39:38 PM »
Be careful of the ammunition you use, normal 30.06 isn't good for them, it needs to say for the M1 Garand. 8)

Could you explain further?
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2014, 08:52:49 PM »
Yeah, the Scott Duff books are really great, too.  They go over a lot of info on when/why changes were made in the manufacturing process, problems the armories had setting up to make M1's, testing, etc.  Lots of good info to date your parts (not many M1's come from the CMP that aren't a mix of parts from multiple years and multiple manufacturers.)

The M1 Garand gas system can be damaged if you shoot ammo with heavy bullets and slow burning powder.  The gas system is designed for a certain pressure and slow burning powders result in higher gas system pressures than faster burning powders.  Powders like IMR 4895, IMR 3031, Win 748, TAC, Varget and others in that burn range are okay for the M1 Garand.  Powders like Win 760, IMR 4350, IMR 4831, etc. are not okay for it.
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2014, 09:13:18 PM »
Be careful of the ammunition you use, normal 30.06 isn't good for them, it needs to say for the M1 Garand. 8)

Could you explain further?
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It is recommended that very slow burning powders and heavy bullets not be used in the Garand. This is an issue especially important to handloaders, as the pressure curve of slower propellants can put too much pressure on the gas piston, bend the operating rod, and adversely affect the Garand's accuracy. The Garand is best used with bullets of about 150 grains weight, as in "Ball, Caliber 30, M2" ammunition. However, there are several adjustable gas cylinder plugs available that vent excess gas out of the gas cylinder, reducing the pressure on the operating rod.
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2014, 11:53:51 AM »
Well played Painter. Most factory loaded 30.06 is for bolt action rifles. Designed to make the most of the case's capability. 8)
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2014, 04:41:48 PM »
you can get what you like, but imo,  a "wall hanger" isn't worth it since i would shoot it and imo, id rather have one of the older ones that dont have "new" parts in them.

but you can bet they will be done right and you will have a shooter.

i got mine 10+ years ago when they still had a good supply of Rack and Service grade.  I got a Service grade and I'm happy with it.  I also got a receiver and had one semi custom built/assembled into a 308. 

if you decide to get one make sure you get some ammo for it.

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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2014, 05:13:01 PM »
Is finding ammo an issue?
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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2014, 05:34:47 PM »
There's an adjustable gas plug for the Garand that deals with the different pressures in 30.06 ammo. Just Google "Garand adjustable gas plug". I got mine from the then DCM (Dept of Civilian Marksmanship) about 20 years ago. At the club that I belong to, they offer a maintenance class and some of the rifles that participants bring come with new CMP stocks that look very nice.

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Re: M1 Garand from CMP
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2014, 05:50:22 PM »
There is the Schuster adjustable gas plug.  It can be adjusted by turning an allen screw in/out to bleed off gas system pressure to make the use of heavy bullets/slow burning powders safe in the M1.

Another brand (I can never remember the name) just uses different sized port screws.  You put in the one you need for the load you're shooting.

Seems like another company has come out with a gas plug that looks stock, but is hollowed out or something to reduce gas system pressure by creating a larger volume in the gas cylinder/plug to reduce the effects of the pressure.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?