What Would You Like To See From Manticore Arms

[JAPartridge]

maybe a Pic rail mounted shell deflector. Something that could be mounted to the CSA optic mount, or even better the RS Products AK-304 and an AKR.

[MariusVZ]

Love this stock.  Too bad it cost a fortune... if even available in the US?

You can run AK mags but have to change the rear locking tab location...  Don't think there's enough room for an adapter though.

Some other ideas:

Some sort of poly overlay for the fixed stock -- allen key or other clamp on -- but sold polymer or recoil pads for an extension/length of pull vs standard folding.  That's basically what the Czech military modern one is too: http://www.vz58rifle.com/products/sklopna-pazba-255mm/



For fixed stocks -- a recoil pad that's customized too them would be great too -- adding a couple inches to length of pull, or perhaps even a couple different recoil pad lengths for a more customized length of pull.  Like the ACE stocks...

[Manticore_Arms]

Love this stock.  Too bad it cost a fortune... if even available in the US?

You can run AK mags but have to change the rear locking tab location...  Don't think there's enough room for an adapter though.

Some other ideas:

Some sort of poly overlay for the fixed stock -- allen key or other clamp on -- but sold polymer or recoil pads for an extension/length of pull vs standard folding.  That's basically what the Czech military modern one is too: http://www.vz58rifle.com/products/sklopna-pazba-255mm/



For fixed stocks -- a recoil pad that's customized too them would be great too -- adding a couple inches to length of pull, or perhaps even a couple different recoil pad lengths for a more customized length of pull.  Like the ACE stocks...

I actually love that stock too.

No guarantees, but  I already had some ideas on how we might make something similar. 

[RSR]

I actually love that stock too.

No guarantees, but  I already had some ideas on how we might make something similar. 

Glad to hear it.  I'm sure if it's a clamp on (easiest install I can imagine) using the existing stock, it'd be very quickly adopted.  And then "recoil pads" of varying length that can be easily attached and not look like crap (the AK grenadier pad a lot of use is function but doesn't look the best...). 

Be aware that there are two gens of the stock (earlier and much less common one having rivets before the stock pad portion), but otherwise they should be identical in dimensions.  And my understanding of that Czech one I posted pictures of is that the outside is just overmolded over the factory folding stock we have already -- and that's why it utilizes the same hinge connection. 

And the grand finale on this -- after stock molding and pad -- would be a cheek riser of sort...  I'd be happy with a clamp on and generally feel that non-adjustable provide a firmer purchase than the adjustable, but would be happy to have either...

[Manticore_Arms]

I actually love that stock too.

No guarantees, but  I already had some ideas on how we might make something similar. 

Glad to hear it.  I'm sure if it's a clamp on (easiest install I can imagine) using the existing stock, it'd be very quickly adopted.  And then "recoil pads" of varying length that can be easily attached and not look like crap (the AK grenadier pad a lot of use is function but doesn't look the best...). 

Be aware that there are two gens of the stock (earlier and much less common one having rivets before the stock pad portion), but otherwise they should be identical in dimensions.  And my understanding of that Czech one I posted pictures of is that the outside is just overmolded over the factory folding stock we have already -- and that's why it utilizes the same hinge connection. 

And the grand finale on this -- after stock molding and pad -- would be a cheek riser of sort...  I'd be happy with a clamp on and generally feel that non-adjustable provide a firmer purchase than the adjustable, but would be happy to have either...

A two piece polymer overmold that bolts on to the existing metal folder is exactly what we are working on right now- the metal stock is very sturdy and has a great hinge mechanism, all we need to do is "bulk it out" a bit on the strut and correct the buttpad shape to make it  more comfortable and ergonomic.  An adjustable cheek piece should be pretty easy to incorporate into that design.

Thankfully we have a a lot of experience with small run molding, and have a few tricks to hopefully make such a thing affordable. 

[RSR]

A two piece polymer overmold that bolts on to the existing metal folder is exactly what we are working on right now- the metal stock is very sturdy and has a great hinge mechanism, all we need to do is "bulk it out" a bit on the strut and correct the buttpad shape to make it  more comfortable and ergonomic.  An adjustable cheek piece should be pretty easy to incorporate into that design.

Thankfully we have a a lot of experience with small run molding, and have a few tricks to hopefully make such a thing affordable. 

Cool beans!  Curious -- how would this assembly affect 922r? 

FWIW, I think the cheek riser as a bolt on makes more sense just b/c if you offer stock pads for varying length of pull (forward and back distance) and due to the 1-2" difference (depending on how folks mount weapon, hold heads, which optic rail they're using, etc; up and down difference) -- between the two, that's a lot of variability that's hard to control for.  I really like the old Galil/FAL command arms cheek riser (they discontiued and pretty much unobtanium today except for one vendor with a handful -- another item to consider fabbing for the Galil crowd [I'm one of those eccentrics too...]):






But something like this for whatever stock you fab up would be solid and awesome.  Perhaps a riser pad for folks running really high or really long stocks (presumably the length due to differing pad length offerings).

ICS makes an adjustable airsoft galil version cheek rest that isn't half bad either...

[vzFOOL]

YAY! Just purchased my second vz2008 (last of the 5 mag deal from PSA). Wife wasn't thrilled, but it really was a great deal.

My first I've got very original. Can't wait to modernize the new one with will all the Manticore Arms accessories - that should please the missus even more, LOL.

[machinegunnertim]

YES!! Thank you Manticore Arms for taking on these accessories for us! I've been extremely frustrated as to the lack of good parts and affordable parts in the U.S.

Please consider producing an extended handguard. Something that covers much more of the barrel and lets the shooter bring his hand or rest on barricades further out toward the muzzle.

[Manticore_Arms]

OK, been looking at a few things and needs some feedback.  It looks like we can go one of two ways on a top cover for a handguard:

1.  Superlow picatinny gas tube that allows you to co-witness an Aimpoint Micro and similar sized optics.

2.  A higher top rail that is continuous from the front of the gas tube to right before the rear dust cover (i.e. would cantilever back over the open bolt area).  There would be a cutout in the top rail so you could leave your rear iron sight installed, and you could probably use the irons without an optic mounted, but the irons would not be visible if an optic was attached to the rail.  Of course a Quick Detach optics mount for your optic would solve that issue.

Let me know which way you would prefer.


FYI, doing a full top rail from stem to stern is complicated as it has to easily be removable for pulling the top cover and bolt carrier group for cleaning and maintenance.  Thus far I have not come up with a satisfactory way to accomplish that which I believe will hold zero well.

Thankfully, I am working on just such a thing for the AK for a client, so if we come up with a good method it is likely that the concept might work on the VZ58 as well.    But only time will tell right now if that ends up being a workable solution. 

[RSR]

If you want your rear cover and front upper handguard to cowitness, you can't use a low rail that would cowitness w/ irons that would also be on same level as railed receiver top cover... 

Personally, what I would most like to see is just a railed receiver cover, in two versions.

The first roughly same dimensions as stock receiver cover, just w/ a rail.  And the second a longer that engages w/ (EDIT:) rear edge of rear sight block and also incorporates some sort of brass deflector to allow a scope to extend across the full length...

So for those two, you have no domestic competition and are not competing w/ investments folks already made in forends... 

For instance, the Mako polymer forends are only $60 and are at a price level where you really can't compete.  But if you made your rear rail covers at a height that lines up with those and then also made a separate two piece forend out of aluminum that did the same (one company out of Ohio makes an upper, but not an upper and a lower -- I like and need a railed lower more than upper...), you'd have much higher profitability IMO... 

Conceptually, I get the utility of a one piece rail, but if I'm losing my iron sights and completely changing the aesthetics of the rifle, a lot of folks/enthusiasts won't be interested.

[bugboy]

Personally, what I would most like to see is just a railed receiver cover, in two versions.

The first roughly same dimensions as stock receiver cover, just w/ a rail.  And the second a longer that engages w/ front sight block and also incorporates some sort of brass deflector to allow a scope to extend across the full length...

Conceptually, I get the utility of a one piece rail, but if I'm losing my iron sights and completely changing the aesthetics of the rifle, a lot of the enthusiasts a lot of folks won't be interested.

+1 ^^^^

I think that full length rail makes the vz blocky and ugly looking.
The affordable rear cover with deflector would allow me to mount a real scope for more precision that what I can get out of a red-dot.  Of all of the options mentioned in this thread that is the one item that I would really be interested in.

I have an AR if I feel the need to have rails hanging off from every surface. The vz is so light, handy and good looking it seems a shame to "trash it up".

[RSR]

Clarified my original remarks above. 

The reason for the receiver top cover and forend being in line from my understanding was for the ability to add stuff like magnifiers and night vision in-line across the top... 

Also, in addition to the cheap competition, those who have spent $300 or so on the FAB aluminum or B&T rails, would also be able to utilize your products as well w/o having to remove their current setup in entirety...

[Manticore_Arms]

Thanks for the clarification and input.  Good points all around!

[RSR]

You bet. 

And depending on the height of your rails, putting that groove notch down the center would most definitely ensure that irons could still be used.

[JDA70]

Receiver Cover with Picatinny rail.
Magazine
Cheek rest for paratrooper folding stock
Pistol Grip