What Would You Like To See From Manticore Arms

[CitizenPete]

Honestly I have not even had a chance to work on anything yet for the VZ58.   

been putting in 12 hour days 6-7 days a week and had to hire a new employee just to keep up with current demand, and also have been scouting for a larger location as we are outgrowing our current shop.

 We are trying to shift a lot of the day to day workload that I get tangled up in off of me and on to others so I can focus on design, but it will be a bit before that all gets sorted out.  Price of success I guess. 

Sven
Manticore Arms

   I was a watching and a waiting and a hoping for the best, No love.

Good to hear your business is going well though.

[Manticore_Arms]

Honestly I have not even had a chance to work on anything yet for the VZ58.   

been putting in 12 hour days 6-7 days a week and had to hire a new employee just to keep up with current demand, and also have been scouting for a larger location as we are outgrowing our current shop.

 We are trying to shift a lot of the day to day workload that I get tangled up in off of me and on to others so I can focus on design, but it will be a bit before that all gets sorted out.  Price of success I guess. 

Sven
Manticore Arms

   I was a watching and a waiting and a hoping for the best, No love.

Good to hear your business is going well though.

Sorry man,  I know that in the consumer world 2 or 3 months seems like a lifetime when you want new product, but in the manufacturing world that is the blink of an eye. 

On the upside, I have some stuff sketched out, and we are gaining ground on some of the backlog of work with our new employee- he is a very fast learner, so hopefully we can get moving forward to some of these side projects.

[Cheapo]

Honestly I have not even had a chance to work on anything yet for the VZ58.   

been putting in 12 hour days 6-7 days a week and had to hire a new employee just to keep up with current demand, and also have been scouting for a larger location as we are outgrowing our current shop.

 We are trying to shift a lot of the day to day workload that I get tangled up in off of me and on to others so I can focus on design, but it will be a bit before that all gets sorted out.  Price of success I guess. 

Sven
Manticore Arms

   I was a watching and a waiting and a hoping for the best, No love.

Good to hear your business is going well though.

Sorry man,  I know that in the consumer world 2 or 3 months seems like a lifetime when you want new product, but in the manufacturing world that is the blink of an eye. 

On the upside, I have some stuff sketched out, and we are gaining ground on some of the backlog of work with our new employee- he is a very fast learner, so hopefully we can get moving forward to some of these side projects.

Good to hear guys. Busy is good. 

[Manticore_Arms]

Alright guys, it isn't a rail system, safety, or bolt release quite yet, but...

I love the length and compactness of the folding stock on the VZ58, but it is bleeped uncomfortable on the cheek and on the shoulder.   I whipped this up as a concept- aluminum with a rubber buttpad.  Bolts on to a Stormwerkz or ACE hinge, has the same length of pull, weighs the same as a the OEM folding stock.

The holes on the side of the stock body are threaded for bolts which allow for an adjustable kydex cheekpiece to be attached, so whether you use a straight or angled Stormwerkz stock adapter you can get the cheekrest heigh and angle you want.

No idea on price quite yet but wanted to get some feedback before going any farther.   

Sven
Manticore Arms

[vblue42]

OMG I love it!

[Chop1980]

I like it.

[IamCaleb]

I like but, why not try to make something that just bolts on to the VZ directly (without the need for adapters)? When you add the Stormworks adapter, then the folding adapter, then finally the stock....it just doesn't look right to me. Ymmv.

[Enthusiasm]

Looks good,  I was liking the idea of a piece that attached and bulked up the stock folder.

[Victor Zulu 58]

Nice looking stock. If the bolt hole size & spacing work with Stormwerks and ACE, you will broaden your market potential... But I'm sure you already realize that.
Northeastern Arms used to have a cantilevered rail that sat on a Troy AR stock adapter. I still think this is an awesome arrangement. I don't think it would take much to make something like this, but more like an extended Stormwerks adapter (the one with a row of 10-32 holes that works with ACE modular stocks).

[RSR]

Aesthetically it looks great. 

But I'll echo others' comments here though that if you were able to manufacture something that encased the existing folding stock, you'd expand your customer base considerably once recognizing the adapter hinge are $100+ items before moving to stocks (and that's before the fitting and other issues folks have had w/ some of the aftermarket stock adapters -- and money that might be better spent with you on other innovative VZ58 products you bring to market  ).  And then w/ stocks requiring the adapters you'd be competing w/ a variety of other manufacturers too...  Whether that's allen key clamps (preferred) or even drilling holes through the middle of the I beam, either would be preferable to me over doubling the cost of the stock w/ adapters and whatnot too...

So except for requiring the adapters and assuming that you'll have a few different widths of stock pads, I think this is certainly an improvement over most current options.

Or you could even design something that tied in into the receiver side of the VZ58's existing hinge.  And then just supply a new hinge pin, nut, and spring w/ the rifle (since removing that nut sometimes crossthreads the threads since it's staked).

[RSR]

Nice looking stock. If the bolt hole size & spacing work with Stormwerks and ACE, you will broaden your market potential... But I'm sure you already realize that.
Northeastern Arms used to have a cantilevered rail that sat on a Troy AR stock adapter. I still think this is an awesome arrangement. I don't think it would take much to make something like this, but more like an extended Stormwerks adapter (the one with a row of 10-32 holes that works with ACE modular stocks).

That cantilever mount was actually 2 primary pieces -- the cantilever rail that goes over the top cover (but needed removed to remove the top cover), and an AR stock adapter that had a rail on the top of it as well (what the cantilever rail bolted to).  The biggest advantage of that rail in my book is for a longer sight radius and opening up a lot more options for iron sights than you have w/ stock...

[vzFOOL]

I like the looks, but I also thought the whole point of you getting a vz2008 was to design accessories for that actual rifle.

I don't like the need for an adapter before I can use your product. Those items already exist on the market, and I thought we were getting some vz2008 specific pieces.

[bugboy]

I won't buy one.

The need to buy a $50.00 adapter and then the stock takes it out of consideration for me.  I am not an "accessorizer" like some folks,,,, I will replace parts if it improves the function, but I don't replace parts just because they are cool or trendy or to have something to brag about on the web.

If you make an affordable replacement folder that mounts to my vz2008, I would probably buy it.

[GWL]

I like the looks, but I also thought the whole point of you getting a vz2008 was to design accessories for that actual rifle.

I don't like the need for an adapter before I can use your product. Those items already exist on the market, and I thought we were getting some vz2008 specific pieces.

I agree with this opinion. I would not want to be dependent on an adapter from a third party to install on my weapon. Too many variables. Either fit to the existing hinge or provide a hinge/stock configuration to fit. I realize the market may be too small given that there may be minor variations between the hinge mounting on the VZ58 and all the VZ2000's and VZ2008's out there.

[gwvt]

Add me to the no adapter camp. There are plenty of options if you're going to use an adapter. I like the design, though.