75B or P-01

[Siliconian]

P02 is available in US, but very limited.

I would suggest getting used to the decocker.. I didn't like the idea at first but now I prefer it over a safety. Quicker and Safer in my opinion.

I would go compact for hiking (p01 or 75compact) because it reduces the amount of restricted movement and also is lighter. (I carried my sp01 for a 6 mile HUNT and regretted it about a mile in).

How should I work with decocker? What I do is  load, decock, safety off. When I need it, I don't need to turn off safety. But I need to carry the gun without safety on and the first shot will be a DA.

[gdawgs56]

That's exactly the point of a decocker!

CZ decockers don't have a manual safety at all (the berrettas do). It just lowers the hammer for you, without any risk.

[Ruber]

Blackwatch had the best advice, go shoot some of these.  Forget about looks for an afternoon and go to the range with someone that can show you the manual of arms of the different guns, and burn some powder.

You might be surprised with what you find out.

Last time I was at the range, I let a couple people shoot a couple of my CZ's, a couple FN's, a Browning, a S&W, and a Ruger.  Afterwards, both of them went out and placed orders for RAMI's.

You never really know what fits you until you shoot 'em.


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[ZardozCZ]

I have a Beretta M9A1 which has a decocker. I have been trying to get used to it for a while. But just couldn't get it. What I do now is never let it stay decocked AND safety on at the same time. But I don't like that.

I had a Beretta 96 and had the same issue until my long awaited P-06 arrived. Can't see having another Beretta. I do really like the decocker especially now that the CGW parts are installed, lighter DA and SA so half cocked is the go-to condition.

Oh, and to the OP, you will probably, very probably, most likely, very likely, even inevitably have both some day soon, so get which one is available easiest and start planning on the next one. I never believed that until I'd had my first one to the range a couple times and came here to find out more about CZ! (rimfirecentral.com if you're into rimfire CZs, or about to and don't know it yet).

Then, someday, send in the clones! (SAR K2 45 is an awful lot of nice gun for the money!) But I?m holding the line there, I think.

[larryflew]

Canik or Tristar in the CA list?  If so they have compact alloy frames with safety.  I sold my P01s and PCR as they where the only decockers I had. Bought the Canik and really like it. Even uses my 75 mags.

[Siliconian]

Canik or Tristar in the CA list?  If so they have compact alloy frames with safety.  I sold my P01s and PCR as they where the only decockers I had. Bought the Canik and really like it. Even uses my 75 mags.

None of the Canik or Tristar guns are on the list.

[Siliconian]

I have a Beretta M9A1 which has a decocker. I have been trying to get used to it for a while. But just couldn't get it. What I do now is never let it stay decocked AND safety on at the same time. But I don't like that.

I had a Beretta 96 and had the same issue until my long awaited P-06 arrived. Can't see having another Beretta. I do really like the decocker especially now that the CGW parts are installed, lighter DA and SA so half cocked is the go-to condition.

Oh, and to the OP, you will probably, very probably, most likely, very likely, even inevitably have both some day soon, so get which one is available easiest and start planning on the next one. I never believed that until I'd had my first one to the range a couple times and came here to find out more about CZ! (rimfirecentral.com if you're into rimfire CZs, or about to and don't know it yet).

Then, someday, send in the clones! (SAR K2 45 is an awful lot of nice gun for the money!) But I?m holding the line there, I think.

You are right. I probably will not end up with owning only 2 CZs.

[Alpha Sierra]

How should I work with decocker? What I do is  load, decock, safety off. When I need it, I don't need to turn off safety. But I need to carry the gun without safety on and the first shot will be a DA.

CZ decocker pistols work the way Beretta G models (92G) work: there is no manual safety at all.  You load, press the decocker and release it.  The hammer drops, the decocer springs back up, and the pistol is ready to use with a DA first shot simply by pulling the trigger.

Beretta F models (92F, 92FS, M9) work differently: you load, press the safety/decocker down and the hammer drops.  You can leave the decocker/safety in the down (safety on)  position which means you need to flick it back up during the draw to fire (DA first shot) the pistol.  Or you can flick it back up immediately after decocking, in which case the pistol fires DA on the first shot just by pully the trigger.

[Siliconian]

How should I work with decocker? What I do is  load, decock, safety off. When I need it, I don't need to turn off safety. But I need to carry the gun without safety on and the first shot will be a DA.

CZ decocker pistols work the way Beretta G models (92G) work: there is no manual safety at all.  You load, press the decocker and release it.  The hammer drops, the decocer springs back up, and the pistol is ready to use with a DA first shot simply by pulling the trigger.

Beretta F models (92F, 92FS, M9) work differently: you load, press the safety/decocker down and the hammer drops.  You can leave the decocker/safety in the down (safety on)  position which means you need to flick it back up during the draw to fire (DA first shot) the pistol.  Or you can flick it back up immediately after decocking, in which case the pistol fires DA on the first shot just by pully the trigger.

Alpha Sierra, thanks a lot for the info regarding 92G/F difference. I didn't know that before.

[Alpha Sierra]

Glad I could help.  I personally really dislike CZs without a decocker.  I will not carry a pistol cocked and locked, and the decocking procedure for CZ safety models is one mistake away from a negligent discharge.

[larryflew]

Glad I could help.  I personally really dislike CZs without a decocker.  I will not carry a pistol cocked and locked, and the decocking procedure for CZ safety models is one mistake away from a negligent discharge.

Nearly impossible to get a ND when done properly and even when done incorrectly with firing pin blocks.  IE, suppose you don't bother having a finger in the way of the hammer and pull the trigger but the hammer slips out of your fingers. Firing pin block will stop it from dropping all the way to firing position since you already let go of the trigger.  Cocked and locked has been the norm for MANY years even prior to firing pin blocks. How many NDs have you personally heard about? Been shooting for nearly 50 years with a LOT of different people and have heard of zero.

[Alpha Sierra]

Larry, think whatever you like.  I have witnessed one guy being sent home from a USPSA match for NDing while decocking an SP-01.  I need no further proof.

As far as cocked and locked carry goes, I don't really care how long it has been done.  I won't do it.  End of story.

[Canuck44]

Larry, think whatever you like.  I have witnessed one guy being sent home from a USPSA match for NDing while decocking an SP-01.  I need no further proof.

As far as cocked and locked carry goes, I don't really care how long it has been done.  I won't do it.  End of story.

You can add a dozen or so IPSC shooters on our AD list.  Mostly while improperly lowering the hammer.  I have neer seen an AD when the thumb roll method is used.  Pinching the sides of the hammer is the only version I have witnessed and caused by an oily surface on the sides of the  hammer.  In the cases I have witnessed they have always been with CZ Shadows.  Carrying cocked and locked is pretty much the norm when carrying a 1911.  Doing so with a CZ DA/SA pistol really is no more dangerous.  USPSA and IPSC both allow it in other divisions.

Larry the FPB won't prevent an AD while lowering the Hammer.  To do so you must pull the trigger, an action that displaces the FPB.  Please do not try proving your idea with a loaded gun.  You will be in for a very noisy surprise.

Take Care

Bob

[larryflew]

Larry the FPB won't prevent an AD while lowering the Hammer.  To do so you must pull the trigger, an action that displaces the FPB.  Please do not try proving your idea with a loaded gun.  You will be in for a very noisy surprise.

Bob


First, it is absolutely impossible to have an ND when done by thumb roll or by the finger in the way pinch method.  Pinch is done between thumb and index finger with middle finger in the way of the hammer.  Have seen 2 guys use opposite with index in the way but feels odd to me. Even when done wrong your hammer slipping would almost always happen after you have released the trigger and the FPB will stop the hammer at that point which means you have to mess up twice, once by the wrong method completely and one by holding the trigger pull.

Also need to consider  decocking is typically only done by DA/SA guys.  Cocked and locked don't ever need to decock.

These NDs you mention are ones you know of, not heard from a guy who said a guy saw......? I only do about 4000 pistol rounds a year currently as the eyes and body start going and still have not seen one let alone several including younger years with more rounds per year and as I said, many people. Shooting since about 1962 but obviously not in competition at all back then. Had I seen even a couple let alone a dozen at IPSC OR USPSA I would find another league!!

Makes as much sense as saying DA/SA is more dangerous because the first DA pull is harder and results in double taps because the SA is so light. And yes I have seen this several times. Has always been by someone not very used to DA/SA BTW.

[larryflew]

As far as cocked and locked carry goes, I don't really care how long it has been done.  I won't do it.  End of story.

And that's why they sell both.  Guessing the safety guns far outsell decockers but part of that is the lack of decockers available due to less demand. No idea what it is now but used to be 20 to 1 ten years ago in CZ shop in MN.