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Offline Joey donuts

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Stock p-07
« on: March 04, 2015, 08:36:42 PM »
Hi all, 
My question is how many of you are running a stock p-07, with no add on parts or smithing, just as it came from the factory. What do you think of the smoothness before and after break in? I see allot of people are polishing and replacing parts I thought it was good to go right out of the box. And can we have some round counts. I am waiting for mine from buds now, quite excited.

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2015, 08:53:44 PM »
I'd say just shoot it as is. After some range time, you'll notice small details that you'd like to improve on or are content and happy with. Modifications to guns are very personal for the most part.

Offline Cyanide

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2015, 09:36:09 PM »
I had a P-07 Duty and a 2014 model, both with well over 1,000 rounds individually through each, and kept both of them stock. They definitely smoothed out on their own with no issues whatsoever. Even though I no longer have either of them, I will be acquiring another "Duty" model in the future.

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2015, 10:16:47 PM »
I'd say just shoot it as is. After some range time, you'll notice small details that you'd like to improve on or are content and happy with. Modifications to guns are very personal for the most part.

^^^^ This x2.

Personally for me, I've been through a bunch of different configurations on my P-07. I did the entire CGW SRT kit with CGW extended firing pin and 15 lb hammer spring. I ended up pulling some of the CGW parts and have mixed and matched with parts from CZC to find what suites me. 2000 plus rounds as of now.

My current configuration:
CZC race hammer, this hammer removed the factory creep in SA but retains the factory look, I love it.
Removed CGW SRK and re-installed the factory disconnector, lifter and roller. (The CGW kit makes a difference but it's not massive. For whatever reason, my gun feels much smoother with factory parts so I was willing to sacrifice a few millimeters in reset and pre-travel. In rapid live fire I can't really tell much of a difference).
Removed CGW extended firing pin and installed the CZC Extended firing pin with factory firing pin spring (allows me to use factory hammer spring should I decide to go that route).
CGW 15lb hammer spring.
CGW extra power sear spring, gives a nice hard stop before the break in SA. I was running the CZC extra power sear spring but the pull was way too light with no real discernible wall before the  break. For me the CGW sear spring feel's superior as it puts a little more tension on the sear/ hammer hooks which gives a nice wall before a crisp break.

Of course, this is what works for me after trying multiple configurations.

Whether you keep it stock, go with CGW parts, with CZC parts or a mix of both (as long as you make sure they are compatible) you can't go wrong, it's just a great weapon.

I will say this, David at CGW has gone above and beyond for me trying to figure out little issues I had, walking me through some things I didn't understand and taking the time to explain and educate me in detail with out making me feel like an idiot. I've sent off multiple email's and numerous phone calls and he always makes the time for me which I value. While I am not currently running ALL his parts, this is no reflection on CGW. David makes great parts and they will definitely suit most people. I was just looking for something different and found it by using a mixed bag.

CGW customer service is beyond reproach.

So, as Colorado Shooter said, shoot it a bunch and then re-evaluate. Either way, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.


Offline Joe L

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2015, 10:52:11 PM »
I order parts before I get a new pistol, usually.  I modify the grips, triggers, internals, sights, whether they need to be modified or not.  A stock gun is not interesting to me.  A worn, tarnished, scratched, beat up, JB-welded, filthy, comfortable gun modified so that I can shoot it, is interesting to me.  After 10k rounds. 

No, I'm not going to clean it.

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Offline M1A4ME

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2015, 06:25:51 AM »
I have done nothing to firing parts of the gun.  I did put a set of night sights on it and installed a captured recoil spring/guide (got tired of bending the original spring during disassembly/reassembly).

My P07 came off the table at the gun show with a better trigger (single action) than my Glock, my XDM or my M&P pistols.

I never shoot it double action (no need, its carried cocked and locked like my 1911s) so I can't say much about it one way or the other.

My P09 had a little more creep in the trigger than the P07 and a small amount of stoning on the factory sear fixed that.

I want another one pretty bad.  We'll see how retirement goes.  I might be able to get another one, some day.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

Offline Joey donuts

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2015, 07:30:50 AM »
Thanks for the great info all. I can't wait to get to the range.

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2015, 11:48:41 AM »
I shot my P-07 as it was when I bought it for quite a while and was thrilled with its accuracy and dependability. It came with the Safety lever installed, which was always kind of mushy.

I didn't keep a round count, but I know I threw away a lot of empty ammo boxes.

Finally I decided I wanted to change it over to decocker, since some of my other pistols are also decockers (Bersa Thunder Pro UC9mm, HC.40S&W and .380). I also decided that having a shorter trigger reset would help speed up follow-up shots.

My purpose for the P-07 is strictly and seriously Self-Defense, so I wanted reliability, accuracy, quick follow up shots. To get all that, here's what I did:

CGW Short Reset kit with CGW hammer and gold hammer spring.
CZ decocker lever set with CZ decocker spring (thank God for Joe L.'s video),
CGW stainless guide rod and 18 lb spring (I noticed improvement in the shooting after adding this!)

This is important: If you get the Short Reset kit from CGW, be sure to get the spring set to go with it. Also, you want to get the stronger sear spring from CGW. The factory sear spring may be too weak to work well with the other upgrade parts.

Whether you upgrade with parts from CZ Custom or CGW, do put the CGW extra strength sear spring before you shoot...and yes, there is a longer more embarrasing story to tell if you don't put in the stronger sear spring...and holes in the roof of your shooting range to patch when your P-07 goes "full auto" on you!

Lastly, I made a very slight bend in the trigger bar spring. The trick is to make have just enough tension to stay firmly under the trigger bar but no more than that. Make the bend as small as possible.

The gun was great before I made these upgrades. Now it is just awesome--like some kind of $2000 super-pistol, except I haven't put anywhere near that much money into it.

Now I'm enjoying shooting it and will shoot until I Know it is completely dependable...then I will shoot some more. It is the way I want it now. And like Joe L., the only thing I'm going to clean for a good long while will be the bore and blow out the spent powder. Other than that, I'm not taking it apart again until I have a reason to dissassemble it.

Offline Joey donuts

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2015, 03:51:20 PM »
I think I'm going to shoot it a while,  before I spend any money I don't have,  lol.  ;D

Offline FakeCZName

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2015, 04:37:18 PM »
Well, dollars to donuts, Joey! Why didn't ya mention you had no money?  We could have made your choice more simple from the get-go.

Only trouble is...after we made all the upgrades and our P-07/09's are really tuned super-duper...we can't afford to buy ammo to shoot in them ::) ::)

Offline Joey donuts

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2015, 04:42:20 PM »
Well I would like to do the upgrades, so knowledge is power. What is the first upgrade that you guys would recommend and ballpark cost..... Not really broke but the misses isn't a fan of guns........  ;)

Offline viking499

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2015, 05:30:27 PM »
To improve the SA, which is where I do most of my shooting from, I usually start by replacing the hammer.  Then go from there.

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2015, 07:20:40 PM »
Yep, then the short reset kit, or the CGW guide rod and lighter (lighter than 20 lb factory) spring.

I seriously suggest keeping part of your paycheck in secret cash and hide it in your gunsafe for just such gun related emergencies...or just in case you need to pay for a divorce.

Offline Joey donuts

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2015, 08:27:40 PM »
So do you replace the captured guide rod with one that's not? I just watched joemustang99 on YouTube, I'm sure I could do the hammer and short release kit.

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Re: Stock p-07
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2015, 09:49:52 PM »
Ha!  I fully understand the resistance of a live-in financial advisor!  She hates it when I call her that.

Mine is bone stock other than a lot of internal polishing. 

I haven't done anything in the slide yet, but everything below the slide has been polished and tweaked to the point that it is one smooth shooter.  There are several videos here (Thanks JoeL!) that show how to disassemble and reassemble. 

Shoot it, enjoy it, then decide.  For just a little time and elbow grease, you can really tune one of these guns.
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