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Online Tok36

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What is a CZ Tactical sport? My Observations.
« on: March 31, 2015, 07:29:31 PM »
 Hay all, i got my TS out about a week ago and though i would share some pics and observations. I have wanted a TS for quite a while. Out here in CA, it can be hard to come by the CZ TS California version. So, when one popped up in 9mm i jumped on it. After a field strip i noticed that this model is mechanically unique to any of my other CZ's.

  Once i got it out, i took it home for a cleaning before taking it out to the range. This thing had more gunk in it than any CZ i have acquired to date. It was packed and dripping with factory goo. I changed out the flat black front sight for a CZC FO front before shooting it. The FO front took a bit of fitting but went in without issue. I like the rear sight and plan on sticking with it for now. Though the rear notch could be deeper it provides a good sight picture.

Here she is from the factory.






A few more pics after cleaning it up.


  The TS has a checkered magazine release, grips and grip frame. The size of the TS grip is manageable for me, i still intend on experimenting with thinner grips to see how they affect my grip on the pistol. The grips situation with the TS is unique in that it will except full size CZ75 grips but they must be cut down at the bottem to allow fitting with the stock polymer magwell.



I like the look of the TS muzzle. This is after installing the CZC FO front sight.



A side shot showing the tall rear sight, wide hammer and long blued slide.




  It became clear to me after the first few rounds that the TS handles better out of the box than any other CZ i have had the opportunity to shoot. This is from the perspective of a target shooter, currently it is the only type of shooting i do.  While i was aware that the TS was SAO, i was unprepared for the stock trigger weight. The increased weight of this pistol paired with the light SAO trigger made shooing it feel a bit like cheating. It shot well for me with little effort on my part.

Stock - CZ TS 9mm Trigger pull weight results (10 pull average w. Lyman digital trigger scale)

Middle of trigger - SA 2lb,5oz

Bottom of trigger guard - SA 1lb,14oz

   This is the first 10 rounds i put through this pistol. Aprox. 7 yards, Two hand hold, Standing. For contrast i shot my tuned PCR rite after this, flinched a few times and genarally shot right about 3-4 inches. I still have not gotten the hang of the PCR, need more trigger time. The TS on the other hand was effortless. Due to my work schedule i did not have an opportunity to make it to the range for over a month before this range trip. For the previous 6 months i had the luxury of shooting about twice a week. To pick up the TS after a months break and shoot this target with the first 10 rounds was surprising and surely had something to do with the TS.



Trigger bar/trigger return spring.

  I noticed some mechanical differences while cleaning the TS. Internally the TS is a a bit different than the CZ75's and P-Series. I seams to be a bit of both. The TS has a unique single sided trigger bar that sits in a notch in the left side of the frame. Unlike the P series/Omega trigger bar that is located on the right side of the frame. The TS trigger bar is flatter than the Omega trigger bar and dose not shift and wrench against the side of the frame while the trigger is pulled. It resembles the two sided CZ75 trigger bar in manufacture, in contrast the Omega trigger bar looks like a stamped or MIM part. I am guessing as to the manufacturing process.

  The trigger bar/trigger spring setup is also different. The trigger spring in the TS acts as a trigger return spring and a trigger bar spring. So the TS has no dedicated trigger bar spring like the original CZ75 or Omega trigger systems. The TS trigger return spring is also located where the trigger bar locks into the trigger rather than on the trigger pin like a CZ75. The sear cage of the TS is much like the sear cage of a CZ 75/SP-01 Shadow with no firing pin block.







TS Trigger

  The Stock TS trigger is made of rigid polymer and is similar in profile to the CZ75SA aluminum trigger. This threw me off at first because i assumed that it would flex like other poly triggers i have tried. While shooting the TS i noticed no trigger flex, i assume the 2lb trigger plays into this. Your just not pulling hard enough to cause the trigger to flex noticeably. The TS trigger comes with over-travel and pre-travel adjustment screws. Out of the box the reset was not great, but once i adjusted the set screws, things tighten up nicely. Like most adjusted SA triggers there is very little SA take-up or SA over-travel. I like this trigger and do not plan on changing it. I may tinker with it a bit, but only to gain a better understanding of the trigger/trigger bar spring interface.





TS Hammer

  The TS hammer is also unique as far as i have seen. The hammer hook is solid  like the P-series hammer, otherwise the design is much like a classic CZ75 hammer. The hammer seams to be wide like a Shadow hammer. The hammer hooks are somewhere in between a stock CZ75 hammer and a Comp hammer hook height. I assume this could create some creep in the trigger pull but the stock hammer spring is quite heavy leading to a crisper break. There may be some room for improvement in the hammer, but i do not see my self picking up on a need for it any time soon. I will see how it wares in over time and how it reacts to different weight hammer springs.




 
  The TS came with 3 extra slide stops. I did some research and it seams the slide stop can fail at around 6k rounds depending on the load. There is a recoil buffer listed in the parts break down. The TS 9mm dose not come with one. The 40cal TS dose ship with a buffer but from my reading it seams like they can cause feeding issues and some folks pull them out.

  I like the CZ TS, it is offers me more than i expected it would. I look forward to shooting it at longer ranges in the coming weeks and possibly working up some loads for it in time. Up to this point i do not get real creative with reloading, this pistol may give me more motivation to do so. This CZ is a beast and one of the cooler CZ's i have picked up.

Link to part two of this post: What is a CZ Tactical sport? Part.2 The CZ-TS Sear Cage  (http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=95980.msg738052#msg738052)


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Offline 357MAGNOLE

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Re: What is a CZ Tactical sport? My Observations.
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2015, 08:20:55 PM »
Awesome write up, I want one even more now!
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Online Joe L

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Re: What is a CZ Tactical sport? My Observations.
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2015, 09:39:47 PM »
That is a fine and very interesting firearm.  I've never seen one up close and personal.  I think you should shoot it at 100 yards.  Or send it to me and I'll shoot it at 100 yards, LOL.

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Re: What is a CZ Tactical sport? My Observations.
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2015, 10:04:40 PM »
I think Joe L would have a new favorite target gun if he picked one up!  Out almost be an unfair advantage.

One interesting note on the trigger, yes, it is plastic but feels great in contour and the flex in fast fire works perfectly.  Sub 0.15 splits good.  More importantly, the over travel and pre travel screws will be less likely to move compared to an aluminum trigger.

If you enjoy modifying with after market parts, this is a great platform! 

I've got some black anodized aluminum grips that I filed down to fit with the black anodized CZ UB Czechmate mag well that would work with the factory magazine base pads... Send me an email at ironictwitch@gmail.com if you're interested!

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Re: What is a CZ Tactical sport? My Observations.
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2015, 10:16:23 PM »
I can't figure out why he would only want to shoot it at 100 yards.............that's awful short on his scale....... ;)

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Re: What is a CZ Tactical sport? My Observations.
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2015, 10:29:15 PM »
357MAGNOLE - Thanks man.

Joe - I plan on shooting the TS long range, i have allot to learn about shooting benched and shooting out to 100 yards. Your past posts about the subject will come in handy. It will be interesting to see what consistency i can achieve with opened sights. I am curious if anyone uses this model for Bullseye shooting.


IT - I noticed the same thing about the set screws, there is much more friction due to the poly trigger. I seams like they may stay in place better as you mentioned. Its going to take some time for me to decide on the mods if any. I am going to try out some DAA aluminum grips first and stick with the stock magwell, it serves my use just fine in that i never change mags quickly. I actually tried taking it off so i could use unmodified full size grips, but with the poly magwell removed the cuts for the magwell are still visible. So ill mod the DAA's and see how things go. Thank you for the offer though.

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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2015, 11:30:44 PM »
Nice write up.

I've been thinking about pimping out my 75SA or just buying one of these... now I've got to think on it some more! :-)

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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2015, 02:38:33 AM »
Cool write up. Makes me want one even more now.
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Re: What is a CZ Tactical sport? My Observations.
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2015, 04:00:55 AM »
mine shot to the left.@ 50 yards it was about 16" to 18" i moved the stock rear sight at first,(it was a bear to move, remove) but since went to the adjustable  rear .

definitely want a f/o front. what height, dia. did you get?

i've shot steel at 50 and 100 yds and it's as accurate as my ruger mk III 22 lr. i think that's pretty good for a 9

oh, and i ground down some g-10 grips i had in zebra gray , a bit more bite than the wood.
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Re: What is a CZ Tactical sport? My Observations.
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2015, 04:16:01 AM »
For the fixed rear i needed the CZC - CZ Fiber Optic Front Sight 1.0 x 7.5mm (3.1mm Blade).

http://czcustom.com/CZ-Fiber-Optic-Front-Sight-7.5mm-with-1.0mm-FibreRod.aspx

But it states in the link " if you are upgrading to the TS LPA ADJ rear sight then use the 6.5mm
(LPA TRT sight sits lower then the factory)"
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Re: What is a CZ Tactical sport? My Observations.
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2015, 07:28:37 AM »
Golly that pistol is going to be fun!

I have shot the P-09 with iron sights at 100 yards.  I cheated just a little--I built up the sides of the front sight with JB-Weld enough to nearly fill the notch in the rear so that I could get a consistent windage hold.  Took a little trial and error.  The front blade is much too fat for a game gun use now, but is perfect for bullseye or 100 yard demonstrations. 

The longer sight radius of the TS should help some with iron sights at long distance.  I don't think the barrel length and maybe a little more velocity will make much difference. 

The red dot sight on a 4.5-5" barrel gun cuts down on the advantage of a long slide gun.  With irons, I would always take the longer barrel gun.

Want a real challenge?  Try a .40 cal 3" barrel Kahr PM-40 at 50 yards and you can see what a short sight radius and barrel length can do to you!  It is excruciating to shoot after a full size gun, LOL.

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Re: What is a CZ Tactical sport? My Observations.
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2015, 08:28:07 AM »
Excellent write up on an excellent handgun. TS soaks up recoil pretty well.

I agree with JoeL on sight radius, for precision, 'long range' and bulls-eye shooting. For rapid fire and quick follow up shots, though, I have found that FO sights are easier to pick.
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