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Cricket67

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PRODUCT NOTICE: CZ 75 ST STANDARD IPSC MODEL PISTOL
« on: August 29, 2002, 01:06:29 PM »
This is something that I came across regarding the slide recall:

Dear Shooter,

Please find attached hereto an advice notice received from the manufacturer Ceska Zbrojovka in relation to this model pistol. We have no other information.

To date we have not received a complaint of this nature. However we feel it necessary to communicate this advice with all expediency.

May we reinforce two key issues raised within the CZ notice:

All Model CZ 75 ST IPSC, 40 cal S&W slides, should be visually inspected for evidence of cracking on the inner surface of the recoil spring channel recess at the guiding rails level. We recommend that this be done by a gunsmith.
b) If any cracks are found, or if there is any doubt, then the firearm should not be used.
In the unlikely event that a problem is found we request information is emailed to Winchester at winchester@pipeline.com.au or faxed to our toll free fax 1800 801 220. We request any communication is marked, Attention: CZ 75 ST Product Notice.

If we receive any further advice, this will be forwarded. We thank you in advance for your assistance.

Yours faithfully, Winchester Division, Olin Australia Limited.

INFORMATION FOR CUSTOMERS 29/5/01

Ceska Zbrojovka a.s is fully aware and respective to quality standards of its firearms would like to notify all users of the CZ 75 IPSC model pistol to the following situation. After shooting a higher number of cartridges (i.e more than 10,000 rounds) or use of non-standard ammunition can cause, at the inner hold of the recoil spring guide, a crack or split. This crack can develop and progress, depending on the number of cartridges being shot and the ammunition used, from the front part (of the slide abutment) towards the muzzle along both sides. For the above stated reasons we would like to ask you to perform examination applying the following method:

Dismount the slide from the handgun, remove the recoil spring and guide and the barrel. Orient the slide with its nose against the light and inspect visually incidence of possible cracks exhibited on the inner surface of the recoil spring channel recess at the guiding rails level.

Please, be so kind as to inform us in case the early stages of crack would be located about this subject matter along with information regarding number of shot cartridges. The pertaining information should be sent to this email address: winchester@pipeline.com.au At the same time we would like to ask you for an immediate discontinuance and stopping of all shooting activities using this weapon. The subject claims will be solved immediately at CZUB's own expenses. Please, for preventative reasons, carry out visual inspection procedure applying method as described above after each shooting of approx. 500 rounds, also in case when no crack is found.

We would like to ask you for your kind understanding regarding this situation and we would like to reassure you that a team of experienced technicians at our CZUB facilities is fully committed to resolve this problem for the firearm which is otherwise very popular, successful and favorably accepted at the market and shot by Champions of the World and Europe. The CZUB company now intensively prepares technical solution for preventing any cracks or splits development at the area of the slide, the results of this endeavor will be communicated to you without delay.

We would like to emphasize that this problem occurs solely with the CZ 75 ST IPSC pistol in cal. 40 S&W. We believe that this inconvenience will not unfavorably affect your attitude towards our products and that you will remain faithful to the CZ Trade Mark.
 
 

cz40va

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PRODUCT NOTICE: CZ 75 ST STANDARD IPSC MODEL PISTOL
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2002, 06:04:16 AM »
Many of us have known of this problem for several years now but thanks for the reminder. I am sure this is no longer a problem and I have often wondered if W/W Olin did not error in the powder charge of the cartridges that caused this failing.

Cricket67

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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2002, 07:33:48 AM »
I only found out about it because of my date issue.  My slide was '02', but my gun was actually '99' on my hit pattern.

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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2002, 10:19:51 AM »
In these days of 'pass the buck" or problem along..

it's nice that CZUB and CZ-USA back up the product.

Tbaus

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PRODUCT NOTICE: CZ 75 ST STANDARD IPSC MODEL PISTOL
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2002, 02:08:48 PM »
Where do you find the date code on the 75 Standard IPSC. I have been relaying this info to my shooting buddy who owns one. I asked him for his date code and he cannot find it. Any help?

Cricket67

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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2002, 02:10:51 PM »
Sorry it took so long to get back to you.  It is just like any of the other CZ's out there.  Look just above the ejector and you should see a two digit date code stamped.  Let me know if it doesn't have one.  Perhaps we could try to trace it by the range of serial number.

Tbaus

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2002, 06:51:17 AM »
Cricket67 didn't you say in an earlier post that CZ did not build any Standard IPSC models in 2000? My friend's gun has a date code of 00 (2000) with a target test fire date of 2/29/00. He bought the gun in 2001. Does this mean he has the updated slide?

Cricket67

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2002, 07:21:03 AM »
No Actually, it was 2002 that they did not build any IPSC models.  I would guess that his is the modified slide, as CZUB recalled any that were produced prior to 2000.  Does his have the buffer system for the recoil spring and guide rod?  If so, it is the new one.

Tbaus

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2002, 09:12:30 PM »
Cricket67, thanks. I passed the info along to my shooting buddy. His gun does not have the  buffer system. He called Mike at CZ-USA. Mike told him his gun does not have the problem. He does not have the new slide though, as his gun also does not have the buffer. The buffered slide required some sort of machining.  Mike did tell him to use a 16# recoil spring instead of the stock one or he may have slide problems down the road.  I don't understand. .... He has the old style slide without the buffer system and yet his slide will have no problems???

Cricket67

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2002, 07:54:10 AM »
No, that does not make any sense to me either.  I am sure though that if he has problems with it (especially living in the US) CZUSA will definitley take care of him, as it is much more awkward in Canada.

I have purchased the 16 lber and am thinking about getting the 18 lber as well to try out.  Currently my brass with the 16 lber is being thrown at two o'clock in a neat little pile some 7 ft away, with less markings on the casings from impact against the rear of the ejection port.

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2002, 07:13:28 PM »
I just picked up my new IPSC tonight, it's also a 2000 model, they must have been having fun on 2/29/00, that's the same date my target is from at 13:09.  Mine also does not have the buffer.  It came directly from CZ to my dealer.  If I get a chance tomorrow night I'll talk to Mike from CZ  before he gets busy shooting and see what he says about the slide issue.  I'll pass along his comments if your interested.
Regards SonnyD

Tbaus

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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2002, 07:31:14 AM »
SonnyD, please pass along what info you garner. The pistol is a delight to shoot. The trigger is to die for.. Having said that, my shooting buddy is not a happy camper. He is having a hard time swallowing the fact that his gun does not have the modified slide for the shock buffer and yet he will not have problems down the road.. and oh, by the way, make sure you use a 16lb spring or you will have slide problems later.... It would be nice to pass something along to him to make him feel better about his gun's longevity.

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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2002, 06:39:54 AM »
Unfortunately I had to leave Friday night before Mike got there.  I'm going to email him today and maybe follow up with a phone call to him, I'll find out something.  Actually I'm not a big buffer fan and would rather shoot a gun that doesn't require them because I've had nothing but problems with a lot of the guns that I've had that used them but this is interesting and I want to find out all the details.  From what I've read, and maybe I've missed something somewhere, and someone help me out if I have, my question has "Anyone had a problem on the pre-modified slide guns"?  It seems like the remark from CZ was that they hadn't seen any problems yet.  It seems like it could have been caused from a bad batch of hot ammo from the manufacturer.  This is a dang heavy gun with a heavy slide and frame, much more so then the 75b models and it looks like to me that this gun should be more then capable of handling 40 S&W ammo, or maybe I've missed something else.  I definitely don't want to have problems with my gun at this price point so I want to take precautions.
  I'm curious as to what Ammo most people are shooting in their's, bullet wt and brand of ammo, is anyone shooting lead bullets?, I'm just trying to get a handle on the best ammo for this gun.  I use S&B and Fiocchi 180gr. in my 75B, the Fiocchi is way hotter then the S&B with a very sharp recoil and the S&B is more of a "hand load" feel about it, both seem to be about the same accuracy wise.  Anyone is welcome to pass along suggestions and idea's.
Regards SonnyD