BREN 806?

[RSR]

I doubt this SHOT will have it, but with the massive sea change in Congress and Administration across the land, SHOT 2018 might, just might, (this is ME talking, no rumors or anything else, my wishful thinking), might have a BREN 2 Carbine for us lowly civilian types. What would be even better would be Scorpion EVO S1 and BREN 805/2 Carbine SBRs showing off due to the repeal of SBR/SBS from NFA '34... One thing I would expect for SHOT 2018 would be factory built suppressor models as I am fairly certain the Hearing Protection Act will slide right on through this year.

I really look forward to the hearing protection act.

Gun industry is going to be in for an interesting few years.  There was a lot of panic or preemptive buying over the past few years.  I think there's going to be and has been a hard cool off.  Likely won't see super sale pricing until around tax time to maybe mid-year after a soft tax sale season...
I don't think for weapons like the 806, etc, that are being produced regardless we'll see much change in import and distribution plans, but for mass market guns including ARs I wouldn't be surprised to see some builders closing up shop.  Hope I'm wrong, but leaner times are ahead for the gun industry in the short term IMHO.

[armoredman]

Unless things change and priorities refocus, such as severely ramped up production of barrels with integral suppressors. Green Mountain is gonna have a bumper year. Yeah, some AR guys are going to go away - WAY too many players in that field. Time to sit down and think about that better mousetrap, guys.

[RSR]

Better mousetrap is in part why I think guns like the CZ semi-auto imports of all types will remain strong...  That and not having a president that will use the ban hammer in all ways -- from imports to outright possession of weapons w/ certain "bad" features will give folks on the fence the time (both budget and logistics) to acquire deep mag and spare parts stockpiles where needed for new weapon systems they've been desiring.

[EDBfla]

If the 806 is released in the states it won't matter much to me. I am an AK guy and left handed. I prefer a right side of the rifle charging handle and could care less that it reciprocates. I'm so use to running the bolt/carrier assy every time after a reload. I'm sure the 806 will be great but there are a few of us that like the setup on the 805 just like it is. Maybe 20 years from now my FDE 805 will be rare lol

[armoredman]

Actually, probably will be, like mine. Quite happy with my 805.

[RSR]

If the 806 is released in the states it won't matter much to me. I am an AK guy and left handed. I prefer a right side of the rifle charging handle and could care less that it reciprocates. I'm so use to running the bolt/carrier assy every time after a reload. I'm sure the 806 will be great but there are a few of us that like the setup on the 805 just like it is. Maybe 20 years from now my FDE 805 will be rare lol

How do you like a reciprocating charging handle in your field of view?  I have shot as a lefty to assess, and found it distracting w/ my VZ58s and AKs -- but then I shoot right normally so everything seems off when shooting left-handed.  Point being, 806 has a non reciprocating charging handle... 

Also if I recall armoredman got some thumb punishment when he first shot his 805...

Both possible issues would be mitigated w/ a non-reciprocating charging handle -- yes, all things considered a reciprocating charging handle is more reliable/durable due to less parts...

[armoredman]

Yes I did...and then I moved the handle to the right side, AK style, and it was all good.   I would like to have a NON reciprocating bolt handle, that's for certain, but with the forward pistol grip and the moved handle, it became a non issue. The bolt release, now that's an issue I wish we could fix with the 805, if there was enough room inside the reciever to make one work.

[9mm_shooter]

The 805 S1 has no bolt hold open, right?

[CZBren805]

The 805 has a bolt catch but no bolt release.  The operator must use the charging handle to unlock the bolt once it has been locked to the rear.

[photog22740]

Looking better! Non-reciprocating op handle (no more support hand thumb "ouch"); integrated mag well and lower receiver for different magazine types (the modular 805 mag well, as a separate piece, looked a bit weak in the way it attached to the lower receiver); improved left side bolt catch/release design with a second one located in the trigger guard; ambi mag release; cleaner/streamlined stock....that's the primary ergonomic changes that I gathered from the Czenglish. [emoji1] See anything else?

Curious if reciprocating handle has some benefit i'm unaware of....i see the new HK 433 will have one.  Seems odd to me but maybe i'm missing something?

[RSR]

Reciprocating has less parts and is generally more reliable.  Non-reciprocating can't get hooked on anything when cycling that might impede function but generally non can only control in rearward motion, not forward.

[photog22740]

Reciprocating has less parts and is generally more reliable.  Non-reciprocating can't get hooked on anything when cycling that might impede function but generally non can only control in rearward motion, not forward.

Thanks much for the reply.

[Obiwan]

Pretty much every reciprocating charging handle also acts as a forward-assist. That's not possible with most non-reciprocating charging handles (like the Evo). However, some guns have some means to still use the non-reciprocating charging handle as forward assist if needed. The Walther MPL SMG comes to mind.

[Box]

Pretty much every reciprocating charging handle also acts as a forward-assist. That's not possible with most non-reciprocating charging handles (like the Evo). However, some guns have some means to still use the non-reciprocating charging handle as forward assist if needed. The Walther MPL SMG comes to mind.

The new HK 433 will have a non-reciprocating charging handle with an integrated forward assist.   I'm very excited for it, but I hope it's not SCAR-priced.

[AKToday]

The new HK 433 is a nice weapon, I have no doubts, but even anyone born today will die of old age before you see one for sale.   They had plenty of opportunity to bring us the G36.   HK could care less about public sales.