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Offline Thrdofmny

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2015, 10:42:00 PM »
Since you mentioned the 7.62, I've read of people swapping out the barrels. Normally they are going from the 7.62 to a 9mm. Any idea of any special steps needed to go from a 9 to a 7.62, if you had the barrel? The all knowing Internet make it sound as simple as changing out barrels.

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2015, 12:22:57 AM »
I never swapped it out but back in the day there were several kits on the market. Thought it was just the barrel and a spacer for the mag so it fed correctly.
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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2015, 12:27:08 AM »
That's great. The 52 has great point and shoot ergonomics. Sounds like the 9mm is the way to go. The 7.62 Tok was like shooting a flash bang!


No one has mentioned the price but that was a great deal for an average 52. I would buy another today at that price. Not sure how many years ago I sold mine for $180 but it had beautiful Houge wood grips. I couldn't tell you what I bought.
You have to admit it is fun to shoot 7.62 Tokarev rounds.

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2015, 12:18:29 PM »
Your 9x19mm CZ52 is a great find at a great price.  I suspect that it is a pretty rare bird - congratulations!

I have known guys that would pay that much just for a 9x19mm CZ52 Barrel alone.

If you want to try the Tokarev rounds, a 7.62x25mm barrel is usually not hard to find and not very expensive.  If that CZ52 with the matching numbers 9mm barrel was mine, I would shoot nothing but the 9mm Luger cartridges in it.  You can fairly easily find a 7.62x25mm Tokarev CZ52 'shooter' down the line.

Happy shooting ...

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2015, 12:22:14 PM »
You and I think alike. I wouldn't mind getting a "twin" in a 7.62. No idea how I'm going to explain that to the wife...
Thanks for the comments and advice.

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2015, 01:43:47 PM »
You and I think alike. I wouldn't mind getting a "twin" in a 7.62. No idea how I'm going to explain that to the wife...
Thanks for the comments and advice.
Tell her that it is a matching set.

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2015, 01:51:30 PM »
Exactly.

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2015, 10:14:09 PM »
You and I think alike. I wouldn't mind getting a "twin" in a 7.62. No idea how I'm going to explain that to the wife...
Thanks for the comments and advice.

Don't tell her and don't let her see them together. Then you can just claim it is a single pistol.
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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2015, 10:46:43 PM »
You people are geniuses. Gun and marriage advice. Where have you been all my life?  :)

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2015, 12:15:43 PM »
I don't believe there were any Czech made CZ52's which were originally made with 9mm barrels.  To the best of my knowledge only the original prototype(s) were chambered in 9mm.  The Soviets insisted on 7.62x25 and rejected the 9mm prototypes so there was a redesign.  The crossed swords is the military acceptance mark.  So a military accepted 1953 vz52 would have been chambered in 7.62x25 originally.

If I recall correctly there were some which were rebarreled to 9mm before import for the express purpose of meeting U.S. demand for the ability to shoot in that caliber.  It's possible that this is what you have.  I suppose that might make it more desirable to collectors than one with an after-market 9mm barrel, but it would only be a matter of degrees.  Based on what you've written, it is not an ultra-valuable collector's gun, though, by virtue of what seems to be a factory refurb 9mm barrel, it is a bit more valuable, similar to the ones which were chromed by the importer prior to civilian sale.  You have a neat shooter.  Shoot it.  Enjoy it.

$175 is a VERY good price these days.  The supply has all but dried up and what is seen now is usually on the secondary market.  Some will let them go for less or close to what they paid, but most seem to be well into the $300 or more.  Which is still a spank'n good deal on an all-steel, full sized, duty handgun in a screaming caliber.  :)

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2015, 12:52:31 PM »
You may be right on everything you've written, and I appreciate your comments. I've read in some places that the 9mm came later like you said and I've also read that the CZ 52 was originally a 9mm and then changed to the 7.62 because of Russian influence. My question is, if my pistol was an original 7.62 and then rechambered  (I know some were and I think they had a different stamping on them) then would they go to the trouble of stamping a matching serial number onto a new barrel? If so, that guy's job sucked. Thoughts? 

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2015, 01:47:43 PM »
You may be right on everything you've written, and I appreciate your comments. I've read in some places that the 9mm came later like you said and I've also read that the CZ 52 was originally a 9mm and then changed to the 7.62 because of Russian influence.
It was originally designed in 9mm for the prototype.  That design never made to final design.  The Soviets vetoed it.

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My question is, if my pistol was an original 7.62 and then rechambered  (I know some were and I think they had a different stamping on them) then would they go to the trouble of stamping a matching serial number onto a new barrel? If so, that guy's job sucked. Thoughts?
He got paid to refurb a gun.  Probably didn't suck any more than any other assembly line refurb.

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2015, 04:43:47 PM »
Using your information I broke out my shovel and done some more Internet digging. Found one post claiming that in the 90s Century Arms agreed to buy a large number of CZ-52s  if they could be made to shoot the 9mm round. Shortage of ammo being what it was in the 90s. They had 9mm barrels put on. Some had no serial numbers, some different serial numbers than those that appeared on the pistol, and some they put the serial number from the gun on the new barrel. The matching numbers because they knew collectors would want matching numbers. No info was provided as to what a "large number" was or the breakdown on how many of were matching, different or blank. I can't attest to the accuracy of the information but it does blend with what you posted.
The only thing I will point out is the rarity of the 9mm with matching numbers. Anyone can drop a 9mm barrel into a 7.62. Really, it isn't that hard. Then you would have a CZ-52 in a 9mm. The hard part is finding one with matching numbers. I've looked. (You'll  probably post links to a dozen of them since I said that. Honestly, I hope you do. I'd like to see what they go for.) For some, this won't mean a thing. For some, the matching numbers will mean everything. If nothing else, it makes me happy.
All that said, I appreciate the info and I'll keep digging for more. I'll post anything worth sharing.

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2015, 07:41:36 PM »
Found this information on a site that was trying to sell a Cz52 9mm. Kind of interesting. Maybe some of you knew this already. Apparently, Zbrojovko Brno (CZ52 factory) proof-marked pistols converted to 9mm at the factory. This pistol is marked "ZB 4658 95." I want to thank Jim for sharing the following information with me: =========================================================================== "Your pistol will have a small number stamped on the forward right side of the receiver, next to the ""Lion N"" proof, in the format: ZBxxxx96. This is the PROOF SEQUENCE NUMBER, basically telling you that this pistol was the xxxxth pistol of this type proofed by Zbrojovko Brno in the year 1996 (or whatever year the final two digits indicate)..." =========================================================================== Also, apparently the crest I mention above is another "Lion N." In other words, the lion crest is on the barrel AND on the frame. =========================================================================== =========================================================================== More information from Jim:================================================= In the early 1990s, the vz. 52 was declared surplus and the Ministry of Foreign Trade began releasing them for export sale. Century Arms (CAI) was the first major U.S. purchaser, but after an initial burst of collector interest, sales sagged a bit. In order to restore interest, the Czechs revivied the 9 mm conversion program and directed Zbrojovko Brno to perform the work. Part of the conversion process involved polishing and re-blueing the slides, and those pistols being prepared for CAI were also roll-stamped on the lower left front of the slide, "MOD.52 Mfg. By BRNO In Czech Republic / Imported by CAI ST.ALB.VT." The numerical portion of the pistol's serial number (but not the series prefix) was stamped on the outside of the chamber, along with the caliber designation, "9 mm LUGER." These pistols were commercially proofed after conversion and a proof sequence number was stamped on the right side of the receiver (this is what I have been tracking). To date, only 95 and 96 proof sequence dates have been reported and no sequence number above 6,000 has been observed, indicating that the total number of these conversions probably did not exceed 10,000.============================================================= =========================================================================== CAI apparently figured out that they could beat the cost of the Czech 9 mm conversions, and they began their own 9 mm conversion program by simply re-boring and re-rifling the original 7.62 mm barrels. These pistols were not proofed after conversion, and carry no added markings other than the CAI importer's stamp and the new caliber, "9 MM" stamped on the outside of the chamber. It is also interesting that the rifling on these converted pistols uses a left-hand twist, while the Czech barrels all have a right-hand twist.Apparently, Zbrojovko Brno (CZ52 factory) proof-marked pistols converted to 9mm at the factory. This pistol is marked "ZB 4658 95." I want to thank Jim for sharing the following information with me: =========================================================================== "Your pistol will have a small number stamped on the forward right side of the receiver, next to the ""Lion N"" proof, in the format: ZBxxxx96. This is the PROOF SEQUENCE NUMBER, basically telling you that this pistol was the xxxxth pistol of this type proofed by Zbrojovko Brno in the year 1996 (or whatever year the final two digits indicate)..." =========================================================================== Also, apparently the crest I mention above is another "Lion N." In other words, the lion crest is on the barrel AND on the frame. =========================================================================== =========================================================================== More information from Jim:================================================= In the early 1990s, the vz. 52 was declared surplus and the Ministry of Foreign Trade began releasing them for export sale. Century Arms (CAI) was the first major U.S. purchaser, but after an initial burst of collector interest, sales sagged a bit. In order to restore interest, the Czechs revivied the 9 mm conversion program and directed Zbrojovko Brno to perform the work. Part of the conversion process involved polishing and re-blueing the slides, and those pistols being prepared for CAI were also roll-stamped on the lower left front of the slide, "MOD.52 Mfg. By BRNO In Czech Republic / Imported by CAI ST.ALB.VT." The numerical portion of the pistol's serial number (but not the series prefix) was stamped on the outside of the chamber, along with the caliber designation, "9 mm LUGER." These pistols were commercially proofed after conversion and a proof sequence number was stamped on the right side of the receiver (this is what I have been tracking). To date, only 95 and 96 proof sequence dates have been reported and no sequence number above 6,000 has been observed, indicating that the total number of these conversions probably did not exceed 10,000.============================================================= =========================================================================== CAI apparently figured out that they could beat the cost of the Czech 9 mm conversions, and they began their own 9 mm conversion program by simply re-boring and re-rifling the original 7.62 mm barrels. These pistols were not proofed after conversion, and carry no added markings other than the CAI importer's stamp and the new caliber, "9 MM" stamped on the outside of the chamber. It is also interesting that the rifling on these converted pistols uses a left-hand twist, while the Czech barrels all have a right-hand twist.

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Re: Recently purchased CZ-52 9mm
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2015, 09:28:21 AM »
A lot more detail than I remembered, but basically what I remembered reading.

Like I said, it's a neat shooter.  I'm guessing that to the right collector it might be worth several hundred dollars.  Without hunting it up (which I'm feeling too lazy to do right now ;) ) I suspect it could be worth as much as $400-$600.  That's the price of a pretty decent NIB handgun these days.  But I rather doubt you have a $2,000 collectible which you should stick in your gun safe and never shoot.  In any case, decent condition CZ 52's are now going for more than the $175 which you paid for this one so you got a really good deal.  :)

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