CZ82 Newbie Questions

[Pier23]

Hi All,

I foolishly went to a local gun show with cash money in my pocket, figgering I would pick up some Tok 7.62x25 for my CZ52, and ended up bringing home a CZ 82 as well as the Tok ammo.



I am working my way up the CZ food chain, a 75B is really what I am looking for, but a CZ in the hand is worth two on Gunbroker, or something...

Anyway...

I have the 82 in the Mak round, 9x18. That part I understand.

But I see references to the 83 in 32 AND 380 (or as more properly noted, 7.62 and 9mm kurtz.)

I had thought that the 82 indicated the Mak cartridge, and the 83 indicated th 380 cartridge, but this apparently is not correct, the 83 comes in two flavors, 32 and 380?

My 82 has the polygonal rifling which threw me (and still does) for it looks like a smoothbore. If there is rifling in there, it must have been put in by laser etching BUT this appears to be the way the barrel is. The gun has holster wear but the rest looks very clean. Pix coming.

Can someone pls explain the 82/83 differences, and the nature of the polygonal barrel?

Oh, and how does one determine year of mfg.?

Thx!

(Have not shot it yet...:-((()

[eastman]

I believe the 83 is also available in 9x18 Mak, to go along with the 7.65mm and 9mm (short) Browning cartridges. The Browning chamberings use conventionally rifled barrels. The 83 was the commercial version for export.

For a good introduction - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling

[onebadrc]

On the right hand side above trigger guard should be SHE two numbers then crossed swords. That's the date. CZ82s are 9x18 with polygonal rifling. CZ83s are .380 or 7.65 Browning with standard lands and grooves. The polygonal rifling is a result of cold hammer forged barrel.


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[MP2 Guy]

Stinks when you have a stray CZ follow you home from a gun show! The year manufacturer should be in two digits after the factory marking (she) and before the crossed swords on the right side of the frame near the front.

I've heard the CZ 83 was made fo 9mm Makarov for a few years but I have never seen one.  I feel lucky have examples in both 9mm kurz (.380 ACP) and 7.65 Browning (.32 ACP). I'll be definitely looking for a CZ 83 in 9mm Makarov and, of course, a CZ 82. Hopefully one will follow me home from the local gun show in a few weeks!

[Pier23]

Thanks, all!

If the 83 is the commercial version for export, then what is the 82, and what are the differences?

Ahh...looks like my guy is an 84 then.

[eastman]

Thanks, all!

If the 83 is the commercial version for export, then what is the 82, and what are the differences?

Ahh...looks like my guy is an 84 then.

This is a good starting point - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_82

[MP2 Guy]

Thanks, all!

If the 83 is the commercial version for export, then what is the 82, and what are the differences?

Ahh...looks like my guy is an 84 then.

This is a good starting point - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_82

That is a good starting point. To me the big difference is I can buy a CZ 82 with my FFL03 (C&R) but not a CZ 83. Darn it!

[Pier23]

Eastman,

Thank you for the wikipedia link - helpful but not terribly detailed.

Looking at tne 9x18 cartridge, it appears to be roughly comparable to the .380??

Looking corward fo shooting "her" which I see is a 1984 vintage. I think I will find it was a good year for CZs.

[MP2 Guy]

Eastman,

Thank you for the wikipedia link - helpful but not terribly detailed.

Looking at tne 9x18 cartridge, it appears to be roughly comparable to the .380??

Looking corward fo shooting "her" which I see is a 1984 vintage. I think I will find it was a good year for CZs.

Looking forward to the range report!

[il.bill]

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Looking at tne 9x18 cartridge, it appears to be roughly comparable to the .380??

...

The 9x18mm Makarov falls in between the 9x17mm (.380 ACP) and the 9x19mm (9mm Luger) cartridges - it is 'hotter' than the .380 ACP and not as 'hot' as the 9mm Luger.  Even though the 9x18mm Makarov cartridge uses a larger diameter bullet than the other two, it actually is closer to the .380 ACP in power, or ballistics, or whatever term is used.

[eastman]

That is a good starting point. To me the big difference is I can buy a CZ 82 with my FFL03 (C&R) but not a CZ 83. Darn it!

Well, that too. Even worse, a CZ83 in 9mm Mak is virtually identical to the CZ82, but the differences in engraved markings make it not eligible for a Type 03 FFL transfer.

[Pier23]

That is curious-why would markings make a difference in C&R eligibility? I don't see any odd markings on the 82 I have. And isn't a 1984 pistol a bit young for C&R status??

[MP2 Guy]

According to the Wikipedia page:
The vz. 82 was added to the US government's "Curio and Relic" list with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) in February 2007, after an individual wrote a letter to the ATF attaching a letter from a federal museum curator who stated that the vz. 82 had "museum interest" as a curio and relic.

[eastman]

That is curious-why would markings make a difference in C&R eligibility? I don't see any odd markings on the 82 I have. And isn't a 1984 pistol a bit young for C&R status??

As stated in the post above, the CZ82 was added by name to the list (along with the Polish P64).

CZ82 - no model markings, C&R eligible
CZ83 in 9mm Mak - identified on the slide as a CZ83, not C&R eligible

[Pier23]

According to the Wikipedia page:
The vz. 82 was added to the US government's "Curio and Relic" list with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) in February 2007, after an individual wrote a letter to the ATF attaching a letter from a federal museum curator who stated that the vz. 82 had "museum interest" as a curio and relic.

Yeah, I saw fhat...didn't make sense to me how two pistols, essentially identical, and one is C&R and the other isn't...