followers?

[wanderson]

Now that we're seeing new production polymer mags, anyone selling polymer or aluminum replacement followers for the surplus mags?

[wanderson]

Disregard, just looked at CZechpoint USA's site and they have ALL magazine parts including surplus & polymer followers and springs. I swear I looked at their site a year ago and didn't see as many items as they have listed now.

[Franz Maurer]

Followers have more choices to make and need more guidance rather than distance from their leaders. This creates more complexity because leaders have a wider span of control today than they did in the past due to technological advances. This translates into less quality time spent with their followers and potentially more disconnects created within the leader-follower relationship.

 

[RSR]

Followers have more choices to make and need more guidance rather than distance from their leaders. This creates more complexity because leaders have a wider span of control today than they did in the past due to technological advances. This translates into less quality time spent with their followers and potentially more disconnects created within the leader-follower relationship.

 

Either that in foil hat (see sig) isn't working, or has melded with your brain turned you into part machine -- an inaccurate encyclopedia.

 

[CitizenPete]

Followers have more choices to make and need more guidance rather than distance from their leaders. This creates more complexity because leaders have a wider span of control today than they did in the past due to technological advances. This translates into less quality time spent with their followers and potentially more disconnects created within the leader-follower relationship.

 

?Today, it is infinitely easier to to kill a million people than to control a million people.?- Zbigniew Brzezinski



Case in Point -- George Soros:







ah hem...  Speaking of magazines:


APEXGUNPARTS dropped their price on excellent condition mags to 60 for 3.  Good price in my opinion -- cheaper than what I have paid in the past.


http://www.apexgunparts.com/vz58-30rd-magazine-aluminum-grey-7-62x39-excellent.html

[RSR]

If considering the value of the mag pouch, it's probably about the same, but if you don't want/need a mag pouch, why pay for it? -- 4 new in packaging w/ new pigskin mag pouch were at $100... 

Also be sure to create an account w/ Apex -- they've really been redoing their website and online marketing this past year, and some deals/specials are only available to those who create accounts!

[wanderson]

Just FWIW VZ surplus mags use the same springs as AK surplus, just dropped new replacement AK springs (Damage industries) in both VZ & AK surplus mags and the old springs in each were identical in size & shape.

Since I answered my own dumb question I felt obligated to provide something in the way of mildly useful mag related info...

[RSR]

Just FWIW VZ surplus mags use the same springs as AK surplus, just dropped new replacement AK springs (Damage industries) in both VZ & AK surplus mags and the old springs in each were identical in size & shape.

Since I answered my own dumb question I felt obligated to provide something in the way of mildly useful mag related info...

Thank you for checking -- in that case, it may be possible for some issues such as bolt hold opens not working all the time to be resolved w/ Wolff xtra power mag springs.  +5% power I think...

[wanderson]

Exactly why I was replacing a spring, I have two surplus mags (out of 9) that weren't holding open, springs were noticeably weaker than the 5 my VZ originally came with. Both never failed to feed so it's probably either a spring or follower issue.

Wolff springs are great, I use Wolff springs in many of my rifles & mags but I can't find them for AK mags for less than $6 a pop before shipping. I got a 12 pack of stainless steel AK springs from Damage Industries for $36 when they ran a free S&H special, so $3 a pop. Compared to the stock springs I'm replacing the DA wire is quite a bit heavier.

[CitizenPete]

I understand that springs breakdown and all metals that are under stress eventually wear out, however, what is wrong with taking a weak spring in the case of a mag and stretching it out a bit to get some more life out of it?

[RSR]

Stretching springs only increases tension temporarily, only a couple loads/unloads.  The way stretching affects the metal, it actually serves to weaken the spring.  The better fix would be to shim a weakened spring (probably under the floor plate in this application). 

In other xtra power wolff springs, they usually add an extra coil or two, ensuring minimal added thickness, but more power... Keeping both within spec to minimize any potential for cascading issues...

[Franz Maurer]

Followers have more choices to make and need more guidance rather than distance from their leaders. This creates more complexity because leaders have a wider span of control today than they did in the past due to technological advances. This translates into less quality time spent with their followers and potentially more disconnects created within the leader-follower relationship.

 

Either that tin foil hat (see sig) isn't working, or has melded with your brain turned you into part machine -- an inaccurate encyclopedia.

 

Yes, need an upgrade to tennifer electroless nickle boron coated titanium tactical hat with picatinny rails .
But you LoLeD ?

CitizenPete got it.

Just say no to polymer springs.

[RSR]

Yes, need an upgrade to tennifer electroless nickle boron coated titanium tactical hat with picatinny rails .
But you LoLeD ?

CitizenPete got it.

Just say no to polymer springs.

Yes, it was a good laugh -- tinfoil was my attempt at a joke...

Where do I get one of the upgraded varieties, but with mlok instead of picatinny?

[TJNewton]

Just FWIW VZ surplus mags use the same springs as AK surplus, just dropped new replacement AK springs (Damage industries) in both VZ & AK surplus mags and the old springs in each were identical in size & shape.

Since I answered my own dumb question I felt obligated to provide something in the way of mildly useful mag related info...

Wanderson,

How did you make this work?  Were you able to load 30 rounds into the magazine and did you test fire it?  I just tried the Damage Industries AK replacement spring and it didn't work for me.  The AK springs are just slightly wider (from front to back) than VZ58 springs and while I could cram them in between the sides of the follower, they wouldn't travel freely.  I was able to reassemble the VZ58 magazine with the AK spring in there and while the follower seemed to travel well enough with a thumb test, it got real stiff at around 20 rounds and stopped accepting anymore at 24.  I assume the spring was binding on the sides of the follower and wasn't compressing enough. 

It didn't seem very robust so I just took it apart and didn't bother test firing.

Let me know if there's a trick I missed to make it work.

[wanderson7262]

I checked the four VZ58 mags I replaced the springs on. The VZ springs ARE smaller front to back, I measured 51mm vs 55 mm for the AK springs. But the AK springs fit in the followers fine and don't bind. I can still load 30 rounds in each mag and they function fine.