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Offline jimsjrt

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P-01 CCP legal?
« on: June 13, 2016, 07:41:51 PM »
Would the P-01 Omega be legal with a regular compact barrel? I have the suppressor ready barrel now.

Offline whitecap

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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2016, 10:13:26 AM »
Could you be more specific please? Legal for what? Carry, competition? What state are we referencing?

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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2016, 10:36:13 AM »
Here's your answer right from the IDPA rule book -

8.2.4 Compact Carry Pistol Division (CCP)
8.2.4.1 Handguns permitted for use in CCP must:
8.2.4.1.1 Be semi-automatic.
8.2.4.1.2 Use 9 mm (9x19) or larger cartridges.
8.2.4.1.3 Barrel length of 4.10? (104.1 mm) or less.
8.2.4.1.4 The unloaded firearm with the heaviest magazine must weigh 37.00 oz. (1048.9 grams) or less.
8.2.4.1.5 The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 8 ?? x 6? x 1 3/8? ( 222.3 mm x 152.4 mm x 34.9 mm.)

Also, modifications that are allowed on a CCP gun are;

8.2.4.2 CCP Permitted Features and Modifications (Inclusive list):
CCP firearms must comply with all Enhanced Service Pistol (ESP) features and modifications, and equipment restrictions, with the exception that there is no dust cover length limitations. Rule 8.2.2.3.1 does not apply.

ESP mods allowed;

8.2.2.2 ESP Permitted Features and Modifications (Inclusive list):
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8.2.2.2.1 Sights may be changed to another notch and post type. Slides may be machined to accept different style sights.
8.2.2.2.2 Grips may be changed provided they do not weigh more than 2.00 oz. (56.7 grams) more than the factory standard weight for that model.
8.2.2.2.3 A slip-on grip sock and/or grip tape, skateboard tape, etc. may be used.
8.2.2.2.4 Robar-style grip reduction.
8.2.2.2.5 Action work may be used to enhance trigger pull as long as safety is maintained.
8.2.2.2.6 Reliability work.
8.2.2.2.7 Aftermarket extractors and pins may be used.
8.2.2.2.8 Internal accuracy work.
8.2.2.2.9 Replacement of barrel with one of factory configuration that uses a stock or non-stock cartridge.
8.2.2.2.10 Plastic plugs may be used to fill the opening behind the magazine well.
8.2.2.2.11 Aftermarket triggers and trigger work that result in the trigger being forward or rearward from the stock trigger position.
8.2.2.2.12 Externally visible trigger over travel stops.
8.2.2.2.13 Hammer and other trigger action parts to enhance trigger pull.
8.2.2.2.14 Checkering, serrating, and stippling.
8.2.2.2.15 Reshape trigger guard.
8.2.2.2.16 Extended and/or ambidextrous thumb safety.
8.2.2.2.17 Extended beavertail grip safety.
8.2.2.2.18 Ambidextrous or right side magazine releases.
8.2.2.2.19 Extended, trimmed, and/or ambidextrous slide releases.
8.2.2.2.20 Heavy or cone style barrels on firearms with barrel lengths of 4.25? (108 mm) or less.
8.2.2.2.21 Recoil spring guide rods and dual spring recoil systems made of material that is no heavier than stainless steel.
8.2.2.2.22 Slide inserts to accommodate a different recoil assembly design.
8.2.2.2.23 Modification of the magazine well and add-on well extensions.
8.2.2.2.24 Custom finishes and engraving may be applied.
8.2.2.2.25 Aftermarket slide cover plates.
8.2.2.2.26 Slides with front cocking serrations, tri-top, carry melts, and high power cuts.
8.2.2.2.27 Grip tang extensions or beavertails
8.2.2.2.28 Swenson style thumb shields and frame mounted thumb shields.
8.2.2.2.29 Aftermarket safeties.
8.2.2.2.30 Aftermarket magazine base pads may be used provided they do not make the magazine weight more than 1.50 oz. (42.5 grams) over the same capacity factory magazine.
8.2.2.2.31 Magazine base pads may be modified by reshaping, texturing, or adding bumper pads provided that they do not make the magazine weigh more than 1.50 oz. (42.5 grams) over the same capacity factory magazine.
8.2.2.2.32 Magazines that are longer than stock may be used provided they meet all other division requirements.

I hope this answers your question!

Offline jimsjrt

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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2016, 10:36:30 AM »
Sorry, yes for IDPA CCP division.

Offline twowheels

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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2016, 11:22:49 AM »
The question is whether it is going to be too wide.  Can someone with a new p 01 measure the width at the widest point preferably with safeties and decockers and post the measurements?  The safety equipped measurement is probably most relevant for CCP because it would be best to start in condition 1.  I expect the gun will be wider than 34.9mm.

Offline extremist

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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2016, 01:06:43 PM »
P01 with regular decocker fits in the box for CCP division yes. 

James
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Offline motosapiens

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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2016, 12:49:33 PM »
why would you want to start in condition 1? seems easier to me to just pull the trigger but I actually practice.

fwiw, my steel challenge times don't appear to be any different starting hammer down vs cocked and locked.

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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2016, 02:16:29 PM »
P01 with regular decocker fits in the box for CCP division yes. 

James

Agree, but my P01 Omega is not CCP legal due to the ambi decocker/ safety. Just checked in my box, lid won't shut completely. Am just a little disappointed.....with the rules, not the gun :D
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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2016, 02:30:11 PM »
P01 with regular decocker fits in the box for CCP division yes. 

James

Agree, but my P01 Omega is not CCP legal due to the ambi decocker/ safety. Just checked in my box, lid won't shut completely. Am just a little disappointed.....with the rules, not the gun :D

Did you try with the decocker away from the hinge?  My P07 fit in my local club's box, but only if I out the decocker away from the hinge

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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2016, 06:37:16 PM »
P01 with regular decocker fits in the box for CCP division yes. 

James

Agree, but my P01 Omega is not CCP legal due to the ambi decocker/ safety. Just checked in my box, lid won't shut completely. Am just a little disappointed.....with the rules, not the gun :D

Did you try with the decocker away from the hinge?  My P07 fit in my local club's box, but only if I out the decocker away from the hinge

Yup, tried both ways. Fits fine without the CCP spacer, meaning it's fine for SSP or ESP
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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2016, 10:53:58 AM »
why would you want to start in condition 1? seems easier to me to just pull the trigger but I actually practice.

fwiw, my steel challenge times don't appear to be any different starting hammer down vs cocked and locked.

Well, quite frankly, you are not the only person who practices. 

Most folks are more consistent starting condition 1. 

I just received my new P 01.  It feels nice.  I am going to cajunize it.   And see if it fits in the box. 

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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2016, 11:09:29 AM »
My P-02 and my P-07 are too wide for IDPA if you measure the width with a caliper.

Yet both have fit in several IDPA boxes and I have had them checked at several sanctioned matches.

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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2016, 11:12:53 AM »
The gun doesn't sit flat on the decocker or safety, that's why it fits in the box. My P07 fits fine.

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Re: P-01 CCP legal?
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2016, 10:15:56 AM »
My fully Cajunized compact 75 SAO fits in the CCP box just fine.  Instead of the 14 round mags, has anyone tried fitting the 15 rounders?  The stock 75 16 rounders are a very tight fit.