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Offline M1A4ME

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New P01 wear/tear???
« on: June 21, 2016, 07:14:29 PM »
I had a sweaty/dirty day outside mowing/trimming and the new P01 got dust, grass, dog slobbers and my sweat on it, so I decided to clean it after I came inside and got my shower out of the way.

While tearing down the P01 I figured I might as well do the same for the every day carry P07 (had been meaning to do that for a couple days anyway).

The P01 only has about 60 rounds through it now.  The P07 had something over 500 rounds through it (I don't count or keep a record but I reload and keep a log book for that).

The P01 has considerably more wear on the outside of the chamber and the barrel up near the muzzle where it rubs the slide.  The rails on the frame don't have any finish on them, but a lot of that was missing when it was brand new. 

The P07 only has a small line across the top of the chamber where the original finish is gone and while appearing thin on the barrel it has not worn through and gotten shiny up near the muzzle.

To look at them you'd think the P01 had been fired much more than the P07, much more.

The only reason (popped into my head while wiping/cleaning/lubing) I could think of was the P07/P09 designs being newer and maybe the machinery they are made on being newer, the precision of the parts in both finished state and fit to the other parts of the pistol is much higher for the P07/P09 guns leading to less wear/tear when the parts are moving around on each other.

Most folks seem to believe that the P07/P09 guns, in stock/production form, are more accurate than the older guns (stock - not loaded up with new precision/match parts and worked over by a gunsmith).  That, too, could be a sign of the precision the guns are made with.

Just thought it was odd the P01 was showing wear in the finish so much quicker than the P07 (that P07 is over 2 years old now) and the P01 is about a month old.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

Offline Earl Keese

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2016, 09:50:08 PM »
Same exact thing with my 07/01. My P-06 is much tighter than my 01 as well and is much older and well used.

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2016, 05:15:23 AM »
Two totally different designs that have their own totally different wear patterns. My P-07 doesn't exhibit any better accuracy than the 5 metal framed CZ's I own. I think my 75 B compact edges out the others by a bit but without testing them all from a mechanical/ransom rest to remove the human factor it's all perception.

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2016, 08:44:30 AM »
Just wanted to comment about my April 2016 built P-01. I ran 350 flawless rounds through it this past Saturday, and it ranks right near the top for consistent accuracy. I have over a dozen of modern semis, and this P01 has the best slide to frame fit, barrel lockup and barrel to barrel bushing fit than all my others. If I didn't know any better, I would surely say this P01 was hand fitted. I couldn't ask for closer tolerances than this P01 came with from the factory. As far as wear patterns, there is absolutely nothing unusual or premature on this model.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2016, 08:48:28 AM by Rmach »

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2016, 09:10:50 PM »
When a carry piece gets all mucked up like that, it is a perfect time to to shoot some rounds downrange--gain even more confidence in its reliabilty... or learn of new concerns.

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 02:47:19 AM »
Mine is the same way.  That is the only "disadvantage" of the black finish barrels vs the silver finish barrels.  You can see the normal wear patterns more easily on the black.  The P-01 has variations between pistols, but no more than I have seen in other manufacturers.  For example, I have a Beretta 92fs that the slide rubs the side of the barrel.  It has done that since new.  While it's not really supposed to, I've learned that some of them just do this.  This Beretta has thousands of rounds down the pipe, is a lot looser than my P-01, but is still a tack driver.  IMO the bushing and lock up on the CZ is a more beefy design.  I guess this is the long way of saying that I wouldn't be too worried about your P-01.  They are built to take the wear and tear. 

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 01:30:14 PM »
So I noticed today that the slide on my new P-01 Omega hits a little snag when coming back forward. It occurs when it's about 3-5 millimeters from closing. It seems like the slide release is what is hanging it up.

Is this normal?

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 06:22:07 PM »
Mine doesn't do that.

Not sure what it is.  Could be the barrel, slide and pin are just really "tight" on yours and it'll wear in after some shooting.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2016, 06:32:33 PM »
So I noticed today that the slide on my new P-01 Omega hits a little snag when coming back forward. It occurs when it's about 3-5 millimeters from closing. It seems like the slide release is what is hanging it up.

Is this normal?

What ammo are you using?

Does it do it when you are shooting it or when you hand cycle it?

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2016, 07:01:34 PM »
So I noticed today that the slide on my new P-01 Omega hits a little snag when coming back forward. It occurs when it's about 3-5 millimeters from closing. It seems like the slide release is what is hanging it up.

Is this normal?

What ammo are you using?

Does it do it when you are shooting it or when you hand cycle it?

Hand cycle. I noticed it when I was lining up the hash marks to tear it down. I've only put 150 rounds through it and it ran flawlessly.

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2016, 07:15:51 PM »
I have a PCR that will do that from time to time when I hand cycle it.  Never when shooting.  I just always blamed it on the ammo.

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2016, 10:21:41 PM »
Here is a video. It's just a little hiccup right before the slide is at rest.

https://youtu.be/D0Gm_JPVwLQ

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2016, 11:18:16 PM »
Shoot it, it will be fine.

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2016, 05:06:43 AM »
That's just everything falling back into battery and moving the slide slowly allows you to feel and see it happening. when the gun is being properly racked and fired at speed you'll never see or feel it. Most of my CZ's are well into the thousands of rounds fired now and while I can still feel the lock work functioning when operating the slide slowly they all feel very smooth as well. By the way I keep mine well lubed too.

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Re: New P01 wear/tear???
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2016, 07:53:03 PM »
Yep, looks like just the parts wearing together.

My PCR doesn't exhibit that "hitch" but when I swap in my Matte Stainless slide I get that feeling but it shoots just fine.  ID OD tolerances at work.

BTW I stopped putting the Matte Stainless slide on the PCR frame, but I still shoot the PCR slide on both the PCR and the Matte Stainless frame.