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Offline pntball650

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keeping mags loaded
« on: August 14, 2016, 11:48:50 PM »
I know this has been brought up before and have seen people back and forth saying CZ has/has not changed the polymer in the magazine. I have 12 of the 30 rounders and have only used a couple of them. I am just trying to figure out if I should load all of them up for a while and see if anything happens. However, if nothing has been changed on the magazines I might as well just leave them as is. My only concern is for future legislation which could potentially ban 30 rd mags. Therefore, if they are going to break over time and they have come up with something better I would rather go ahead and load them up and let them sit and see if something happens rather than it randomly happen down the road. Thoughts?

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Re: keeping mags loaded
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2016, 12:58:27 AM »
Buy more mags

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Re: keeping mags loaded
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2016, 05:53:07 AM »
I know this has been brought up before and have seen people back and forth saying CZ has/has not changed the polymer in the magazine. I have 12 of the 30 rounders and have only used a couple of them. I am just trying to figure out if I should load all of them up for a while and see if anything happens. However, if nothing has been changed on the magazines I might as well just leave them as is. My only concern is for future legislation which could potentially ban 30 rd mags. Therefore, if they are going to break over time and they have come up with something better I would rather go ahead and load them up and let them sit and see if something happens rather than it randomly happen down the road. Thoughts?

I'd buy more or load and wait in batches.I currently have 9 mags en route to CZ, and 5 here, 4 of which are broken.   3 of the 9 were replacements CZ had previously sent.  Wishing I  hadn't left the 5 here loaded over night until I got my 9 back.


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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2016, 09:24:32 AM »
I'm pretty sure I read these magazines weren't designed to be left loaded for extended periods of time. They were meant to be used in battle and left in battle as they're easily replaced.

This firearm is so new to the civilian world still.

I wouldn't be trying to break feed lips by leaving them loaded. Wait until a solid version 2.0 magazine comes out, possibly with reinforced feed lips. Unless you enjoy the gamble. I haven't broken any magazines but I don't load them until it's range time. I do drop them on the ground though.
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2016, 12:27:32 PM »

.... Wait until a solid version 2.0 magazine comes out, possibly with reinforced feed lips. Unless you enjoy the gamble. I haven't broken any magazines but I don't load them until it's range time. I do drop them on the ground though.

Is there a 2.0 Magazine version being worked on? 

My conversations with people at CZ did not leave me with the feeling that they were working on a newer or updated version. Also they were adamant that magazine cracking was a very small percentages they actually said "less than .02%".

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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2016, 02:41:48 PM »
Not that I know of but the aftermarket is growing like crazy for these firearms. CZ seems to be responding well to the civilian market. 1/2 x 28 threads on the 2016 scorpions wasn't just done randomly. People got tired of waiting for 922r stock kits or overpaying for them and then you see CZ Custom releasing adapters for Magpul stocks.

I'm not holding my breath for better magazines but I won't be shocked if someone releases something for us.
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Re: keeping mags loaded
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2016, 03:40:50 PM »
I've kept all my mags loaded since i bought my Scorpion. Out of all my mags, only 1 has shown any cracking. It wasnt that bad, and probably would have functioned fine for a long time. I sent it back the other day though. All mags "should" be designed to stay loaded....what good is an empty mag?! I don't believe CZ designed these to remain unloaded. Since this was developed as primarily a military arm, how often do you think troops issued the Scorpion leave their mags unloaded.....never

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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2016, 05:28:56 PM »
I've kept all my mags loaded since i bought my Scorpion. Out of all my mags, only 1 has shown any cracking. It wasnt that bad, and probably would have functioned fine for a long time. I sent it back the other day though. All mags "should" be designed to stay loaded....what good is an empty mag?! I don't believe CZ designed these to remain unloaded. Since this was developed as primarily a military arm, how often do you think troops issued the Scorpion leave their mags unloaded.....never

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2016, 05:29:58 PM »
I always keep all my firearm magazines loaded.  I am sure that the manufacturer did not intend for you to wait until you need your firearm to begin loading your magazines.

Magazines are a consumable.  Sometimes they break and sometimes they get lost.  Get a bunch.

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2016, 07:18:39 PM »
Breakfree CLP and a little Milcomm TW25B grease.

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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2016, 08:36:07 PM »
I was using Militec1.  I'm planning to try a non-scientific study with the new mags.  I switched to Ballistol Saturday on a hunch.  Want to scrub a mag with Militec1, one with Ballistol, and one a virgin.  Load and see if oil or lack of makes a difference.

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Re: keeping mags loaded
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2016, 08:48:42 PM »
Loaded about a year, I think, left in CZ black 30 round case, banged around a bit in the Scorpion range bag. Only thing I can see is a couple of teeny dents from being banged around.


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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2016, 11:41:03 PM »
There is no reason to load a magazine from a "preservation" standpoint.  The only "wear" part of a magazine is the mag spring itself.  A spring is a mechanical device subject to work, corrosion, and metal fatigue, in that order.   

If you are worried about the "legality" of your magazines, then register to vote, educate yourself, and vote your conscience. 

In the interval, see above.  If you have a number of magazines with strong springs, then oil and maintain them.   
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2016, 03:34:24 AM »
I have re-read the entire thread, and I understand your concerns a little better now.  The concerns about the plastic aren't going to be addressed by keeping them loaded in storage.  At least in theory, the breakage would be caused by some combination of poor quality control of the plastic and actual use (insertion/removal, wear of the magazine feed lips during firing, etc.). 

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2016, 04:06:57 AM »
I understand that plastic magazines are cheaper and faster to manufacture while bringing in a lot of profit, but a good steel magazine, or aluminum magazine, or even steel reinforced plastic magazines are always going to be better in the long run, and should also probably outlast a plastic mag 3 to 1.

If someone were to make an affordable metal stick mag for the scorpion, or even perhaps a small drum, CZ would sell very few plastic mags because no one in their right mind would continue buying them.  They only have the market cornered on them right now because there isn't an alternative.

But the more popular the scorpion becomes and the more people that complain about junk factory mags, the sooner that a good aftermarket company will realize there is a lot of money to be made and will do it.

Unfortunately, with the upcoming election, and the uncertainty of the future of 2A, manufacturers are leary to undertake such a project right now for fiscal concerns seeing a return on their investment in R&D and molds, and getting tooled up to make them.  That's just reality.  If it happens at all, it won't be before the election.  That much is a given.

The shame of it is that the mag issue is a big reason why I haven't made the jump into the EVO world.  If we get Hillary, and if the gun banners are successful, the best case scenario for any sort of ban is another like the Bill Clinton AWB where pre-ban mags were legal but new production were outlawed...  I suppose CZ-USA would be able to swap mags for awhile from pre-ban inventory (if they didn't sell them all in the panic before the ban), but that inventory wouldn't last long.  Especially when considering that State and/or Customs could shut down future mag imports at any time, at least temporarily if not permanently, regardless of any ban...

Regarding your post -- steel mag cracks can be repaired through welding and dents can be repaired through mag repair blocks, etc.  If looking at thin metal IMO stainless mags are the way to go... If allowing for thicker material (EVO polymer is pretty thick), aluminum like the VZ58 mags becomes more appealing... 
Metal-polymer hybrid mags are much more robust than straight polymer, but when broken they are are effectively unrepairable...  If you can replace eventually, hybrid steel-polymer mags are pretty ideal balance of strength and (light)weight.  Polymer also has the added advantage of being more resilient to dents and dings, but that's on account of it being somewhat a more brittle material in that it either bounces or breaks whereas metals dent first, sometimes substantially, before breaking...

I completely agree that the market is primed for some serious innovation in the CZ EVO mag arena.  But I think the concern from manufacturers is less about risk and more about the fact that they can run their existing lines around the clock to fulfill the current demand for mag product, without taking any innovations...