Cz 82/83 dao

[A BROUHAHA]

I am interested in converting a cz 83 to dao and was wondering a few things. I tried using the search feature, but didn't find any info specifically outlining any downsides or safety concerns in doing this conversion, or how it is done.

I understand the pistol lacks a firing pin block, but at rest the hammer does not contact the firing pin. But I still wonder if there us anything I might be overlooking that would make this conversion unsafe.

[imarangemaster]

It is not uncommon for firearms with inertial firing pins (spring loaded to the rear, and too short to contact primer with the hammer down) to not have a firing pin  block.  I am not familiar enough with the CZ82/83's action, to know how it would be affected.

Just curious: What is your rational for DAO?  If it is on single action, it means you have already pulled the trigger at least once, possibly because of a lethal threat.  If it was for a lethal threat, CZ 82/83s are phenomenally accurate in single action mode.  I would think you would want the utmost accuracy for subsequent shots.

[zmr]

why on earth would you want to do that?

[larryflew]

Taking a pistol that has the option of the best of both worlds and turning it into a Keltec P32 makes no sense and I even have a P32 - trade ya.

[zmr]

Taking a pistol that has the option of the best of both worlds and turning it into a Keltec P32 makes no sense and I even have a P32 - trade ya.

we have to save that poor pistol! =(

[Psyop96]

I'm pretty sure the engineers at CZUB had similar thoughts and questions on the design aspects as the OP when they made DAO versions of the CZ 75, Compact, and very recently, the P-07/09. I haven't read of any DAO versions of the 82/83 being done by CZUB. Let's hear the question out from an engineering standpoint.

[larryflew]

DAO is not the same as the option SA/DA and the decocker versions of CZ's are not DAO. Real DAO is double action ONLY so the trigger pull must cock the gun each time rather than DA first shot and SA additional shots as most CZ's operate (like P32 Keltek). So converting the 83 SA/DA to a double action only would be a total redesign of the firearm.

[Psyop96]

I seem to recall that a forum member (the usual suspect? [emoji1]) had Stuart and his team convert a stock P-07 to DAO. It would be interesting to hear what Stuart and team found out and did for the conversion but he's probably quite busy these days on other projects.

[A BROUHAHA]

i have multiple reasons for wanting to do this, biggest being I appendix carry and cringe a little when reholstering a firearm on single action (especially given I reholster with my thumb on the hammer so I get that feedback should anything have made it into the trigger guard). Secondly I am in gunsmthing school (just started, lots to learn still) and it seems like a fun project.

I've seen people do it before by a couple different methods, one being removing the sear so the single action notch doesn't engage, and have heard of people removing the notch for sa on the hammer (unconfirmed). My biggest concern is whether or not the gun would be capable of discharging simple by the slide cycling. In the end though this has been done before and did not require the firearm to be "redesigned".

Not really sure why the negativity about wanting a dao pistol (worse yet why someone would compare this to a Keltec), some folks convert their revolvers to dao too, don't see them catching flack for it.

[imarangemaster]

My question was not trying to be "negative" about DAO, just honestly curious as to the reasoning.  I have 7 years military and 22 years LEO experience, much as an armorer, trainer, and firearms instructor.  In my world, DAO semis were to placate lawyers and legal advisors of various departments who were worried that single action second shots make it too easy to shoot a second shot (now there's a concept! LOL), even if you need one.  They do not appreciate that you are twice as likely to miss shooting double action (especially in a stress situation) as you are with single action.

[A BROUHAHA]

Imarangemaster, I was referring to a couple of the comments that came after yours, you posed a reasonable question.

[larryflew]

Mine was the reference to Keltec being double action, not being same quality.  Hard to convert a revolver to DAO from a single action as the parts are not there to begin with.  When you figure that out I would love to have some ruger singles done but you also need to adapt the frame to double.

You can already holster in DA so DAO would only be 2nd shot and beyond.  IMO I would have more fear carrying anything home converted that condition one or two with a well made factory gun.

[A BROUHAHA]

I am referring to removing the single action notch on a da/sa revolver, not converting a single action to a double action. That would be ridiculous.

I was making that comparison as in much the same manner I am looking at removing the single action engagement from the hammer.